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Say what you will about the Democratic party, but they're response to "oh no we don't have the votes" is to try courting suburban housewives, not to pass laws that disproportionately limit the ability of old white straight men to vote or to purge Republicans from the voter rolls. >__>

Just Sayin.

Just sayin, you stop a lot of fraud when you ask for ID when you register someone to vote and require registration.

Robovski wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:36 am Just sayin, you stop a lot of fraud when you ask for ID when you register someone to vote and require registration.

No, you don't. You literally don't. Voter fraud is miniscule. Most fraudulent voting takes place via remote voting. The only reason to pass ID laws for voters in-person is to make it harder for young people and poor people to vote.

I was a young poor person. You know what it takes to register to vote? I just did it here in California - I filled in a form online, they mailed it to me with a return address to sign, I sent it back (prepaid by California) and they sent me my registration. I could have gone to the DMV and saved the back and forth but I didn't. ID check was having a social security number which any adult citizen should have.

And I'm from Chicago - don't tell me voter fraud isn't a thing.

I lived in Chicago too (for more than ten years), and voter fraud is not a thing. Voter fraud is statistically very low except in the head of paranoid right-wingers. I suppose you also believe there were millions of unregistered fake votes given to Clinton, huh? Trump just can't handle that he lost the popular vote. Honestly, though, if I were calling the shots, I'd make it so you not only need an ID to vote, and make it as easy to get as possible (rather than trying to rig the game to turn away voters), but also make it so you have to pass a basic, and I mean basic like fifth grade civic's test. There you go. You should not be allowed to participate in public affairs if you don't know jack shit about what you're participating in.

I'd like Voter ID requirements myself, but in a way that's not going to disenfranchise legitimate voters. Because there are all sorts of clever ways to do the latter with the former. Not widely disseminating new requirements, for instance, or requiring personal visits to the election supervisor's office (a barrier for those without personal transportation or access to transportation, as can happen in rural communities especially, since the latter rarely have even the slightest system of mass transit).

I think that's why many Democrats are leery of the Republican pushes for Voter ID, they see it as a clandestine disenfranchisement campaign, not a legitimate response to a legitimate problem.

Robovski wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:56 am And I'm from Chicago - don't tell me voter fraud isn't a thing.

Chicago can be a special case given the Daley Machine, I think?

Besides, the dead have rights too! Are am I going to have to sic Reg Shoe on you? (Granted, he'd be angry with me for calling him that. He prefers 'vitally challenged').

Where I live, they accept almost thirty different things for ID at polling stations. It would only likely be an issue if you are homeless, didn't file taxes, don't have a bank account, don't have a drivers license, or a health card. And of course, they are cross-referenced with the voter rolls. The limits that the states are imposing seem very harsh by comparison.

Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:19 am Say what you will about the Democratic party, but they're response to "oh no we don't have the votes" is to try courting suburban housewives, not to pass laws that disproportionately limit the ability of old white straight men to vote or to purge Republicans from the voter rolls. >__>

Just Sayin.

And to that end The progressive wing of the Democratic party will act as an albatross around their neck

"White Women, Come Get Your People

They will defend their privilege to the death."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/opin ... naugh.html

'These women are gender traitors, to borrow a term from the dystopian TV series “The Handmaid’s Tale.”'

"These are the kind of women who think that being falsely accused of rape is almost as bad as being raped."

The artical only gets worse