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Theres one thing I haven't understood about this case this person had PTSD and was still able to purchase a gun?

"Having PTSD" is not the same as 'sought treatment for PTSD' or 'was involuntarily committed for PTSD.'

Yes, his mother knew he was off and police were even called to his house at one point, but they ultimately cleared him and he was never actually submitted to the system as a danger to himself or others. So his background check came back clean, and he was able to legally purchase a weapon. In California, of all places...which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation.

Possibly something to remember when we discuss the efficacy of gun control.

Oh I didn't realize that thank you for clearing that up.

I'm getting tired of blaming the sick, vile, disgusting, evil things people do on PTSD. Rape, murder, and whatever else. We need to stop treating monsters as if they're victims. He chose to murder. Period. End of story.

Fun fact! One of the people killed by the thousand oaks shooter was a survivor of the Vegas shooting!

Look at me. I live in a constant state of fear, not out of paranoia, but simply knowing I am a target. That I could be killed at any moment. There was someone who went on a stabbing spree in my own town. I know a radical killer or a hostile nation could murder us all at any time. I've been having nightmares about nuclear bombs since 2016. I had one just the morning of the shooting. Do you see me going around butchering people? It solves nothing. It's just one more bleeding wound inflicted on us as a society. So how DARE people blame this on PTSD. How dare them. It is a well-known fact bad people can experience the same emotions we can, they just react to it differently. And you can't judge someone by how they think or what they feel or say, only by what they do.

Yukaphile wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:16 pm Look at me. I live in a constant state of fear, not out of paranoia, but simply knowing I am a target. That I could be killed at any moment. There was someone who went on a stabbing spree in my own town. I know a radical killer or a hostile nation could murder us all at any time. I've been having nightmares about nuclear bombs since 2016. I had one just the morning of the shooting. Do you see me going around butchering people? It solves nothing. It's just one more bleeding wound inflicted on us as a society. So how DARE people blame this on PTSD. How dare them. It is a well-known fact bad people can experience the same emotions we can, they just react to it differently. And you can't judge someone by how they think or what they feel or say, only by what they do.

As long as the NRA hold all of that power you are screwed. I cannot see the US ever improving when it comes to guns.

My point was to illustrate that our choices define who we are, and that we have more control of ourselves than most people think. Even when I'm depressed, and suffering from extreme loneliness, and pain, and guilt, and hatred for the world, I don't do this shit. And psychological conditions can explain some of it. Not all. We have a conscious will that seems to defy what the experts say, who can't even agree on what makes us tick. So until then, I'm going under the assumption that anyone who does something evil could have chosen at any time not to. Christ, I read about a guy who was rejected by girls, an incel, blamed his own looks rather than misogyny, so he shot her and her boyfriend. I know people who tried to psychoanalyze him, pin it down to what was going on his head, which he had no control over, rather than his heart, and credit him his due liberty. Namely that he chose to behave that way. Others in his place would have chosen not to. Choice. And personal responsibility. It makes all the difference.

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:58 pm

Yukaphile wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:16 pm Look at me. I live in a constant state of fear, not out of paranoia, but simply knowing I am a target. That I could be killed at any moment. There was someone who went on a stabbing spree in my own town. I know a radical killer or a hostile nation could murder us all at any time. I've been having nightmares about nuclear bombs since 2016. I had one just the morning of the shooting. Do you see me going around butchering people? It solves nothing. It's just one more bleeding wound inflicted on us as a society. So how DARE people blame this on PTSD. How dare them. It is a well-known fact bad people can experience the same emotions we can, they just react to it differently. And you can't judge someone by how they think or what they feel or say, only by what they do.

As long as the NRA hold all of that power you are screwed. I cannot see the US ever improving when it comes to guns.

California has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. The shooter had an illegal in California extended mag. The illegal extended mag he used turned his gun into an illegal in California assault weapon. He brought a gun into a gun free zone.

Don't give me any bullshit about the "all powerful" NRA