Words to Remember

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Words to Remember

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“I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action’; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a ‘more convenient season.’ Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”

-Martin Luther King, Jr. | Letter from Birmingham Jail
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Get rid of the moderates and who are you left with? The people who doxxed or wanted to hurt or kill the Convington High kids? If so, we might as well give up civil discourse and decide who wins by who survives.
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So you're just...gonna gainsay Martin Luther King Jr? Are you sure that's what you want to do?
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The one about being judged by the content of one's character rather than the color of one's skin is the one that seems to have been forgotten of late.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:58 am So you're just...gonna gainsay Martin Luther King Jr? Are you sure that's what you want to do?
Yes, I'm sure. :lol: I can gainsay MLK, Abraham Lincoln, Gandhi, any number of popes, politicians, X-rights-activists, philosophers, and whomever else might occur to me. Do you honestly expect me to treat him as infallible?
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:58 am So you're just...gonna gainsay Martin Luther King Jr? Are you sure that's what you want to do?
What are you gonna do about it if someone does?
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For you Fuzzy:

"The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just." -MLK
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Admiral X wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:29 am The one about being judged by the content of one's character rather than the color of one's skin is the one that seems to have been forgotten of late.
For it to be forgotten it would have had to have been learned. It clearly wasn't as within a few years of his death the war on Drugs was started with the intent of breaking the power of African Americans to mobilize like the did in the 60s.
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Draco Dracul wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:34 pm
Admiral X wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:29 am The one about being judged by the content of one's character rather than the color of one's skin is the one that seems to have been forgotten of late.
For it to be forgotten it would have had to have been learned. It clearly wasn't as within a few years of his death the war on Drugs was started with the intent of breaking the power of African Americans to mobilize like the did in the 60s.
A possibly useful note: The source of the war on drugs as intended to fight blacks and hippies was according to one supposed quote from a man dead when the quote was published.

Regardless, many people, including myself, have learned long ago not to treat people differently because of the color of their skin. Hopefully more people will learn to do that as well, but some people can't let go of stereotypes or blind hatred.

Of course racial bias can come from other sources than dislike of a race. For example, a study showing that white liberals, but not conservatives, tend to present themselves as less competent when talking to black people: https://psyarxiv.com/pv2ab/
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:58 am So you're just...gonna gainsay Martin Luther King Jr? Are you sure that's what you want to do?
Yes. MLK is not God.
Admiral X wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:29 am The one about being judged by the content of one's character rather than the color of one's skin is the one that seems to have been forgotten of late.
Did he really mean that, though? It seems to me that we were sold Martin Luther King Jr. as an icon for America based on a bland, "we are all one, see past race" version of him, then once he was enshrined as a virtual secular deity, that goodwill is being used as leverage to force everyone to agree with his more radical ideas, lest they defame St. Martin.
Draco Dracul wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:34 pm For it to be forgotten it would have had to have been learned. It clearly wasn't as within a few years of his death the war on Drugs was started with the intent of breaking the power of African Americans to mobilize like the did in the 60s.
Or perhaps the War on Drugs was started as a way to put dangerous criminals away. Violent crimes such as murder can be very hard to solve, as the best witness is dead (at least before the mid-90s or so when forensics managed to get ahold of DNA). And all sorts of crime against other people can be kept from punishment through intimidation of witnesses. But drug dealing tends to correlate with the most violent people, so punishing drug crimes harshly is a good way to get the most likely to be violent people off the streets. People tend to forget how much crime rates increased after ~1965, not going down again until the 1990s.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
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