Stone Arrested, May Implicate Bannon

[CmdrKing]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker ... -wikileaks

The RICO noose ties ever tighter it seems.

At this point the actual question rapidly becomes: were the conditions that pressures Nixon to resign a specific alchemy of his time, or do we have a new president by autumn?
Follow up, is Pence clean?

[Zoinksberg]

Nixon resigned because he could see where things were going and felt that his stepping down would be best for him as well as the US. Nixon was crooked, but generally intelligent aside from his habit of keeping incriminating evidence around. I'm also willing to bet he knew Ford would pardon him. So to believe that the current president would step down is to say that he is wise enough to know when to admit defeat. Do you really believe that? Does he believe the senate would actually move to impeach him even with some solid evidence? Would he even be wrong to think that they wouldn't?

As far as Pence, I'm willing to believe he is as clean as any politician. Which is to say not at all, but not necessarily criminally so. I think there would be a lot less pressure on him, but if he followed Ford's example and gave a blanket pardon then he probably wouldn't be in office for very long anyway.

[Antiboyscout]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker ... -wikileaks

The RICO noose ties ever tighter it seems.

At this point the actual question rapidly becomes: were the conditions that pressures Nixon to resign a specific alchemy of his time, or do we have a new president by autumn?
Follow up, is Pence clean?

Oh this is part of that Wiki Leaks is in cahoots with Russia Bull Shit. Never mind.

[Draco Dracul]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker ... -wikileaks

The RICO noose ties ever tighter it seems.

At this point the actual question rapidly becomes: were the conditions that pressures Nixon to resign a specific alchemy of his time, or do we have a new president by autumn?
Follow up, is Pence clean?

Oh this is part of that Wiki Leaks is in cahoots with Russia Bull Shit. Never mind.

Because as we all know nothing says bullshit investigation like multiple convictions.

[LittleRaven]

At this point the actual question rapidly becomes: were the conditions that pressures Nixon to resign a specific alchemy of his time, or do we have a new president by autumn?

Impeachment is not a judicial affair - it's a political one. Trump could literally shoot someone in Times Square and as long as he has 41 Senators at his back, he would be fine. (heck, depending on who he shot, his position might well improve)

Nixon didn't resign because he was caught, he resigned because he knew that Republicans in Congress would no longer carry his water. The same will have to happen to Trump...which is completely possible. He's bleeding political support over the shutdown. It's almost certainly going to end in a big loss for him. Couple that with a slowly tightening Mueller noose and we may yet see him forced from the podium.

Follow up, is Pence clean?

President Pelosi. Good lord.

[Antiboyscout]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker ... -wikileaks

The RICO noose ties ever tighter it seems.

At this point the actual question rapidly becomes: were the conditions that pressures Nixon to resign a specific alchemy of his time, or do we have a new president by autumn?
Follow up, is Pence clean?

Oh this is part of that Wiki Leaks is in cahoots with Russia Bull Shit. Never mind.

Because as we all know nothing says bullshit investigation like multiple convictions.

Arrests tied to Wiki Leaks?

[Draco Dracul]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker ... -wikileaks

The RICO noose ties ever tighter it seems.

At this point the actual question rapidly becomes: were the conditions that pressures Nixon to resign a specific alchemy of his time, or do we have a new president by autumn?
Follow up, is Pence clean?

Oh this is part of that Wiki Leaks is in cahoots with Russia Bull Shit. Never mind.

Because as we all know nothing says bullshit investigation like multiple convictions.

Arrests tied to Wiki Leaks?

There have been arrests related to the DNC hack prior to this, though the ones directly related to that before now have been Russian nationals.

[Antiboyscout]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker ... -wikileaks

The RICO noose ties ever tighter it seems.

At this point the actual question rapidly becomes: were the conditions that pressures Nixon to resign a specific alchemy of his time, or do we have a new president by autumn?
Follow up, is Pence clean?

Oh this is part of that Wiki Leaks is in cahoots with Russia Bull Shit. Never mind.

Because as we all know nothing says bullshit investigation like multiple convictions.

Arrests tied to Wiki Leaks?

There have been arrests related to the DNC hack prior to this, though the ones directly related to that before now have been Russian nationals.

were those tied to Wiki leaks or was it simply that Wiki Leaks got the leaks after

[CmdrKing]

Nixon didn't resign because he was caught, he resigned because he knew that Republicans in Congress would no longer carry his water. The same will have to happen to Trump...which is completely possible. He's bleeding political support over the shutdown. It's almost certainly going to end in a big loss for him. Couple that with a slowly tightening Mueller noose and we may yet see him forced from the podium.

Aye, exactly. So at this point it's interesting to start asking: under what circumstances does Trump lose support of the party, and indeed is that actually possible under modern political conditions.

Like the Republican Party wasn't in the best shape in the early 70s. Democrat control of the House was stronger than at present, they also held the Senate, and while Nixon won commandingly (indeed, the great irony of his presidency is that the skullduggery that ultimately lead to his resignation was completely unnecessary). Nixon signed a number of laws that the Republicans are still chipping away at to this day despite spending the bulk of the intervening years in the stronger position electorally. The Southern Strategy was showing results, but was still volatile and unpredictable. At the time, I suspect, it was probably genuinely felt that without moderation and skilled governance the party itself might lose any viable path to victory. And of course, as noted, for all his supervillain instincts (again, Nixon would have won without any of his schemes) Nixon was among the savviest Presidents we've ever had and knew when to fold them

By comparison, the modern Republican Party has control of the Senate and can in all likelihood hold it indefinitely barring expanding the Senate via new states. We can safely estimate that there's simply no possible scenario under which less than 35% of the population will vote for them. Despite a show of soul-searching after 2012, they have since doubled down and doubled down again on existing strategies to electoral success. And of course, Donald Trump is the least qualified, least intellectually curious, and least knowledgeable person to ever hold the office.

Combined with the distinct possibility that without Trump's personal brand there is no living Republican who can possibly win the highest office, I'm not sure what they have to gain by cutting him loose.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I feel like Jeb Bush could make a comeback. Then again there's also non-congressional Republicans who might be able run opposite Newsom, like W Bush did. The fact that they wouldn't be so tied to the GOP this time around would give people consideration. Otherwise I'm not aware of any Ron Pauls on the Republican side. However, with Trump's gutting of the federal policy outline, I'm not sure if there's much appeal to having a Republican course correct that. Either you have a lot of people agreeing with Trump's limiting of Federal operation or you have hopefuls that see a new canvas for Democrats to partake in.

As far as Nixon, I'm not sure that his circumstance is a very apt juxtaposition. It's naturally a bit removed from Trump's administration through time, and Trump actually runs on several different brands of past Republicans, including Reagan and W Bush.