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Total area of solar panels needed to power world

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:08 am
by Fuzzy Necromancer

Re: Total area of solar panels needed to power world

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:17 am
by Yukaphile
So glad I blocked ABS. He'll be along any minute bringing a giant rain cloud onto this discussion, no doubt because "then solar energy won't work in the rain!" SMH

Re: Total area of solar panels needed to power world

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:35 am
by LittleRaven
You're doing yourself a disservice, then. ABS is many things, but whatever you think of his ideology, his grasp of the engineering of power grids is fairly strong.

You'll find no bigger proponent of solar and renewable power than me, but I'm well aware that it will never be anything more than a partial energy solution, at least until we have fusion power, because while renewables are fantastic under the right circumstances, they have 2 critical problems:
  • They are not consistent. Solar and wind are great when they're great, but sometimes it's dark and sometimes it's still. This is a big problem for a modern power grid, which for a lot of complicated reasons does NOT deal well with highly variable power loads. We might be able to fix this with a lot more complicated engineering, but it'll be a very slow and expensive process.
  • We don't have good power storage methods. Lithium batteries are kind of our gold standard right now, and they suck. They're horrible for the environment, and horribly inefficient. There are some local, better methods, like pumping water up mountains and compressing air into old mines, but these don't scale well.
All this is further complicated by the fact that power transmission is not without cost. Generating a ton of power in the Sahara does dick all for us in the US, and transmitting power from the Sahara to here is not remotely viable given current technology.

We're working on a better world. We really are. But this stuff is hard.

Re: Total area of solar panels needed to power world

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:45 am
by Yukaphile
I blocked him for another reason. Though those in red states who have this superstitious caveman-like fear of solar energy, trying to sabotage panels for their stupid religious views (when did God or Christ say solar panels were bad?), or somehow thinking that it'll give them cancer, those people I utterly cannot stomach and the thought of them breeding is frightening.

Re: Total area of solar panels needed to power world

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:50 am
by LittleRaven
Texas is as red as it gets, and we lead the nation in renewable power. There's money to be made in renewable energy, and I've never met a conservative who doesn't love the green.

Actually, I haven't met too many liberals that hate money either. :D

Re: Total area of solar panels needed to power world

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:02 am
by Yukaphile
Yeah, but I have heard stories, admittedly they are a tiny handful of deluded whackjobs, but they do exist, who think that way. Thankfully, they are a minority.

Re: Total area of solar panels needed to power world

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:33 am
by Admiral X
I find solar to be more viable and less risky than wind power. We have plenty of sparsely inhabited desert that could house some of the more advanced plants, and if any businesses or individuals want to get in on it, simple units go nicely on roofs and the like.

Oh, and

youtu.be/aVYUPmjJ9bU

Re: Total area of solar panels needed to power world

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:22 pm
by G-Man
Yukaphile wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:17 am So glad I blocked ABS. He'll be along any minute bringing a giant rain cloud onto this discussion, no doubt because "then solar energy won't work in the rain!" SMH
Blocking? How does that work on this forum? This is the first I've ever heard of it.

Re: Total area of solar panels needed to power world

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:15 pm
by TGLS
G-Man wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:22 pm Blocking? How does that work on this forum? This is the first I've ever heard of it.
Short version to minimize drift: Go to the user control panel (here), then click Friends & Foes, then click manage foes, then add the usernames you wish to block (separating by new line), then click submit. That users posts will no longer be displayed.

Re: Total area of solar panels needed to power world

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:05 pm
by Darth Wedgius
Just to resolve ambiguity, the squares shown would provide for the world's electricity needs (as of 2005). To provide all energy needs would require an area about 5 times that.