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Just to point out that violence comes from all sides, in the wake of the Christchurch Shootings.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:30 am https://news.yahoo.com/italy-driver-bus ... 24295.html

Just to point out that violence comes from all sides, in the wake of the Christchurch Shootings.

So much for the tolerant left.

And you feel the need to do this... why?

Well, it is relevant news, for one. And the behavior of this fellow was deplorable, and apparently has been for some time.

That the entire thing is being presented as a tu quoque defense of some kind concerning Christchurch is... more questionable, I think. The appropriate moral response is obvious: both offenders are terrible people, and we should be grateful the second didn't manage as much harm as the first.

Steve wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:54 am Well, it is relevant news, for one. And the behavior of this fellow was deplorable, and apparently has been for some time.

That the entire thing is being presented as a tu quoque defense of some kind concerning Christchurch is... more questionable, I think. The appropriate moral response is obvious: both offenders are terrible people, and we should be grateful the second didn't manage as much harm as the first.

It's not a defense of the Christchurch massacre. Rather, it is to point out that to tie violence in the name of a person's political concerns to the validity of his concerns is unfair.

After the Dylann Roof shooting, the Council of Conservative Citizens' website was de-platformed from PayPal due to it "inspiring" Roof. How did it inspire him? By listing black-on-white crimes. The message seemed to be that worrying about black-on-white crime and whether or not the media was fairly reporting on the subject is unacceptable.

The Christchurch shooter was concerned that the policies of European and European-derived countries are leading to replacing the current populations with people from different cultures and backgrounds. There is a concern that this will be used to demonize such concerns in the future. And, to be fair, the idea that the elites are pushing for a great replacement is not far-fetched: look at how much vitriol is being spewed at Viktor Orban for wanting to encourage more childbirth in Hungary instead of bringing in more non-European immigrants.

I think the real goal of bringing up the case of the bus driver is to point out that logically, either side of the immigration issue can be used as an excuse for violence, so violence committed by a few ought not to be a reason to suppress one side of the debate.

Well, the common myth is that black people are criminals, on drugs, and that black men are especially dangerous, coming to, as Roof thought, "rape our women." And that's a stereotype that just needs to FUCKING DIE already. Unless you actually believe it, G-Man...?

Yukaphile wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:22 pm Well, the common myth is that black people are criminals, on drugs, and that black men are especially dangerous, coming to, as Roof thought, "rape our women." And that's a stereotype that just needs to FUCKING DIE already. Unless you actually believe it, G-Man...?

No-one's claimed that on here, why have you even brought it up?

Yukaphile wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:22 pm Well, the common myth is that black people are criminals, on drugs, and that black men are especially dangerous, coming to, as Roof thought, "rape our women." And that's a stereotype that just needs to FUCKING DIE already. Unless you actually believe it, G-Man...?

No, I don't believe that. I do, however, believe, that blacks have higher crime rates, and most of that is due to actually having a higher rate of committing crimes. While it is not unbelievable that, e.g., drug enforcement polices blacks more heavily than whites and that this artificially increases the number of blacks charged with drug crimes, I think it is harder to do this with, e.g. murder, and the black murder rate is much higher than the overall U.S. murder rate (13% of the population, around 50% of murders).

While it is unfair to stereotype black people based on this, it is also wrong to try to suppress news stories in order to kill a stereotype, or to suppress inconvenient statistics in order to kill a stereotype. "Let's shun those who report on black-on-white crime" is a problematic response.

My concern about the aftermath of the Christchurch shootings is that legitimate issues about immigration, assimilation, integration, and demographics may be suppressed in the name of preventing another shooting. I'm pointing out that people are committing or attempting atrocities on the other side of the debate as well, which undercuts the idea that one side of the debate is violent and must be suppressed, because if so, the other side must be suppressed as well.