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Exxon has suppressed information about climate change since 40 years ago

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:57 pm
by Fuzzy Necromancer

Re: Exxon has suppressed information about climate change since 40 years ago

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:30 pm
by Antiboyscout
And much like other climate research, it stated, in 1977, we have 5 - 10 years before everything goes to hell.

Still hasn't happened.

Re: Exxon has suppressed information about climate change since 40 years ago

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:11 am
by Admiral X
Scaremongers gonna scaremonger.

Re: Exxon has suppressed information about climate change since 40 years ago

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:38 am
by MixedDrops
Except that's not what he said.
“In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels," Black told Exxon’s management committee. A year later he warned Exxon that doubling CO2 gases in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by two or three degrees—a number that is consistent with the scientific consensus today. He continued to warn that “present thinking holds that man has a time window of five to 10 years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical."
Their findings were consistent with scientific knowledge today, and he added that in 5-10 years it might be critical to make hard decisions regarding energy strategies...which isn't even inaccurate since how to handle our energy sources is an important topic today no matter where you stand on the issue, and we also know today that even if humanity blinked out of existence and we no longer created any emissions, it's still too late to prevent some rather severe effects climate change will have on the environment over the next couple decades. That isn't the same thing as "WE NEED TO STOP IN 5 YEARS OR EARTH IS DOOMED" like you're implying he's saying.

Easy to declare yourself right when you put words in other peoples' mouths, I guess.

Re: Exxon has suppressed information about climate change since 40 years ago

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:03 pm
by Antiboyscout
MixedDrops wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:38 am Except that's not what he said.
“In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels," Black told Exxon’s management committee. A year later he warned Exxon that doubling CO2 gases in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by two or three degrees—a number that is consistent with the scientific consensus today. He continued to warn that “present thinking holds that man has a time window of five to 10 years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical."
Their findings were consistent with scientific knowledge today, and he added that in 5-10 years it might be critical to make hard decisions regarding energy strategies...which isn't even inaccurate since how to handle our energy sources is an important topic today no matter where you stand on the issue, and we also know today that even if humanity blinked out of existence and we no longer created any emissions, it's still too late to prevent some rather severe effects climate change will have on the environment over the next couple decades. That isn't the same thing as "WE NEED TO STOP IN 5 YEARS OR EARTH IS DOOMED" like you're implying he's saying.

Easy to declare yourself right when you put words in other peoples' mouths, I guess.
"might"

So you're using his weasel words to defend him? Ok...

Re: Exxon has suppressed information about climate change since 40 years ago

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:50 pm
by MixedDrops
I'm using the words he said to...interpret what he said as what he said rather than putting words in his mouth, but I guess scientists from half a century ago should apologize to you because they didn't word things precisely in the way you would prefer them to, despite all their data being largely accurate to this day.

And again, what he said wasn't even wrong, but I guess you can conjure up whatever you want if that means you can avoid addressing what was actually said.