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The ICE Bomber and the Deafening Silence in Media

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:44 pm
by Antiboyscout

youtu.be/S376N3YfnP0

The bodycount of AntiFa is low, but it's not for lack of trying.
Escalation is getting worse. I worry civil conflict is inevitable.

Re: The ICE Bomber and the Deafening Silence in Media

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:48 pm
by Yukaphile
Imagine if they and the KKK or white ultra nationalists came to blows? That'd be amusing. But seriously, what do you expect? These are hardcore-hardcore far left reactionaries who WANT a revolution to burn down the system thinking it will lead to a paradise rising from the ashes, a collection of accelerationist snowflakes and entitled brats. 2016 proved that.

Re: The ICE Bomber and the Deafening Silence in Media

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:56 pm
by Mecha82
To be fair there is also silence when ever there is right wing ultra religious terrorism but some how those need to be silent about while for some weird reason every other terrorism (mostly Islamic but also extreme left wing) are only ones that count. I think we can all agree that terrorism is wrong no matter who is responsible.

Re: The ICE Bomber and the Deafening Silence in Media

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:09 pm
by Karha of Honor
Mecha82 wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:56 pm To be fair there is also silence when ever there is right wing ultra religious terrorism but some how those need to be silent about while for some weird reason every other terrorism (mostly Islamic but also extreme left wing) are only ones that count. I think we can all agree that terrorism is wrong no matter who is responsible.
No there isn't. Your tribe dominates the media.

No reason to deny it.

Re: The ICE Bomber and the Deafening Silence in Media

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:10 pm
by Yukaphile
Violence to solve your problems is as old as humanity. The question is how far you take it, so it ceases being about "solving problems" and becomes as bad as the other side, sadism, cruelty, disgusting, unjustifiable behavior. The problem I see with the hardcore left-wing rioters is that basically, at their heart they are accelerationists. They WANT to see the system burn down, naive in their ignorance in what that would actually look like. They are not students of history, just trendy kids who like whatever pops up on social media. Spoiled brats. Snowflakes. And withheld their precious virgin votes because they were sexist enough to want utter "perfection" from female candidates and didn't wanna vote with a candidate that aligned 70% with their interests simply because the shallow old white guy who says things they want to hear rather than making realistic proposals lost fair and square and they knew full damn well what a Trump presidency would mean. They are contemptible little monsters.

Re: The ICE Bomber and the Deafening Silence in Media

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:21 pm
by Antiboyscout
Mecha82 wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:56 pm To be fair there is also silence when ever there is right wing ultra religious terrorism but some how those need to be silent about while for some weird reason every other terrorism (mostly Islamic but also extreme left wing) are only ones that count. I think we can all agree that terrorism is wrong no matter who is responsible.
I don't think an abortion clinic has been blown up since the 80's.
Someone tried to burn down an ICE facility today.
No there isn't more right wing ultra religious terrorism today.

Re: The ICE Bomber and the Deafening Silence in Media

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:25 pm
by LittleRaven
Eh? It was reported on CNN. And ABC. And Politico.

Also the Times, the Post...hell, I'm not sure where this WASN'T reported.

The Media has many flaws, but they aren't burying this.

Re: The ICE Bomber and the Deafening Silence in Media

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:06 pm
by Yukaphile
There's still shootings at abortion and planned parenthood centers, don't try to spin-doctor this to make your side look better. There was one, IIRC, as recently as 2015... during the primaries. Because of right-wing fearmongering to make them look like they were harvesting dead baby organs or something. The War on Women is still going strong, and ever-changing in its shape and form. Hell, at said clinics, they need to actually have protected bulletproof safe room areas, because they fully expect to be shot or murdered any second.

Re: The ICE Bomber and the Deafening Silence in Media

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:12 pm
by Antiboyscout
LittleRaven wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:25 pm Eh? It was reported on CNN. And ABC. And Politico.

Also the Times, the Post...hell, I'm not sure where this WASN'T reported.

The Media has many flaws, but they aren't burying this.
CNN: "The motive behind the armed man's pre-dawn attack in unclear."

Re: The ICE Bomber and the Deafening Silence in Media

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:22 pm
by LittleRaven
Antiboyscout wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:12 pmCNN: "The motive behind the armed man's pre-dawn attack in unclear."
They're clearly quoting Governor Jay Inslee with that statement, because....that's a thing he actually said.
"We don't know the motivation," Gov. Jay Inslee told CNN Saturday. "I'm going to keep an open mind about this as the investigation proceeds and I hope that calm can be the order of the day."
Of course, that was on Saturday, when we still didn't know very much. But as we've learned more about Mr. Van Spronsen, the media is keeping up.
Court records show the man was arrested last year at a protest at the privately owned detention center, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement called the man an “anti-immigration-enforcement protester.”

...

Van Spronsen was arrested at the Tacoma facility in June 2018, court documents show, amid what a prosecutor described as a noisy protest scene that included yelling, banging on pots and pans, megaphones and honking horns.

In that incident, Van Spronsen lunged at a police officer who was detaining a fellow protester at the center, according to a prosecutor’s written account. Van Spronsen wrapped his arms around the officer’s neck and shoulders to free the 17-year-old being held.

Van Spronsen was escorted away through dozens of screaming protesters, the prosecutor wrote. Officers took a baton and a folding knife the man had been carrying.

He pleaded guilty to obstructing a law enforcement officer, court records show.

Deb Bartley, who said she was a longtime friend of Van Spronsen’s, told the Seattle Times she believes he intended to die by attacking the detention center on Saturday.

“He was ready to end it,” she told the Times. “I think this was a suicide. But then he was able to kind of do it in a way that spoke to his political beliefs. . . . I know he went down there knowing he was going to die.”

Bartley said Van Spronsen left a “manifesto” that she did not share details of but thinks will be used by authorities. She and others got letters from Van Spronsen “saying goodbye,” she said.
What exactly do you think the media SHOULD be doing here?