Germany to US on US joining surveillance missions near Iran: No way

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-nixes-us-request-join-naval-mission-off-171816925.html

Not this time.

Germany wants mission near Iran to be weighted in diplomacy and de-escalation.

Not a chance.

[Mecha82]

Considering that escalation wouldn't help anyone I would say that Germany is being sensible. Sad thing is, Iran could had been US's ally in so called war of terror since they belong to another sect of Islam that ISIS and other extreme groups hate if US wasn't so hostile towards them while being ally with Saudi Arabia that finances ISIS and others. It's sad reality of politics and business that money comes before everything else.

[clearspira]

Its also the side-effect of having an ''America First'' foreign policy. Why would your allies stick by you if they think you are not sticking by them?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Its also the side-effect of having an ''America First'' foreign policy. Why would your allies stick by you if they think you are not sticking by them?

I get diplomacy but you think Trump's worried about all that lol

[Yukaphile]

Trump doesn't give a shit about our allies. Says they need to "pay up." And he's sabotaging our defense against the various terrorist organizations out there and an aggressively imperialistic Russia. But then, I knew this would happen. I tried to stop it. I don't care anymore. In 100 years, we'll still be refighting the same old fucking battles, only the players will have changed, and people look back on the past with even more ignorance than today as history repeats. Hate us so much sometimes.

[Antiboyscout]

Considering that escalation wouldn't help anyone I would say that Germany is being sensible. Sad thing is, Iran could had been US's ally in so called war of terror since they belong to another sect of Islam that ISIS and other extreme groups hate if US wasn't so hostile towards them while being ally with Saudi Arabia that finances ISIS and others. It's sad reality of politics and business that money comes before everything else.

And Iran funds Hamas and others. Don't pretend like they're clean. All the terrorism in the mid east is just a proxy conflict between those two countries.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Considering that escalation wouldn't help anyone I would say that Germany is being sensible. Sad thing is, Iran could had been US's ally in so called war of terror since they belong to another sect of Islam that ISIS and other extreme groups hate if US wasn't so hostile towards them while being ally with Saudi Arabia that finances ISIS and others. It's sad reality of politics and business that money comes before everything else.

And Iran funds Hamas and others. Don't pretend like they're clean. All the terrorism in the mid east is just a proxy conflict between those two countries.

Oh geez, turning it from an us to an us vs them.

Truth is I think it's just unionizing separating America out for its more recent global policies and actions.

[Yukaphile]

Us vs. them is inevitable when you got a monkey brain. The truly sad part is people can't agree on what the true "us vs. them" should be and make excuses for bad people and demonize good people. Same problems as ten thousand years ago. Really wish we'd grow up as a society.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Us vs. them is inevitable when you got a monkey brain. The truly sad part is people can't agree on what the true "us vs. them" should be and make excuses for bad people and demonize good people. Same problems as ten thousand years ago. Really wish we'd grow up as a society.

Tell you the truth a lot of conflicts I hear about tend to come across as rather clear black and white as who seems to be an aggressor. Israelis vs Palestinians though is one I've never really gotten to the bottom of. Little further on down than WW1.

[Yukaphile]

Even then, the "aggressor" only applies collectively to a nation or ethnic group, not individuals. And I hate people shaming those on the individual level who have the least amount of power to affect change even if they support the actions taking place. It's pure hypocrisy. I refuse to be blamed for Trump or anything Obama did even though Obama had my unconditional support.