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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/10/politics/mike-pence-self-isolate-coronavirus/

Can you imagine? After visiting people sick with Covid19 in a hospital and refusing to wear a face mask because the President doesn't like wearing one?

In a timeline that hadn't been ruined, the Vice President would be helping the effort to quarantine people with the virus, not personally helping it to spread. Thanks a lot, Marty McFly.

Could be like 12 monkeys

You know, I... I really shouldn't celebrate this, and I won't. I won't throw a party, I won't high-five among friends, I won't do any of that stuff. I didn't for Mr. McCain, or Osama Bin Laden, Mr. Carter, or Mr. Scalia, or anybody else. All things being equal, however, this feels like vindication on a primal level to behold Darwinism at work in this fashion - especially happening to an apathetic, tone-deaf, uncaring political leader who would sell us in an instant to grab more power, fame, and money. Life's funny, isn't it?

Well, if God decides to call him home, there's nothing us mortals can do about it. All we can do is offer our thoughts and prayers. All of our thoughts and prayers for our dearest veep Mr. Pence.

On an unrelated note, I wonder if COVID-19 responds to electric shocks. I bet I could find a good test subject.

P.S. I was 50 miles from NYC when the towers fell. I cheered when we shot Osama. Fucker deserved every bullet. If you'd handed me a gun, I'd have shot him three times and then peed on the corpse.

I wonder if it's a play to become president. After all Pense has a much better chance of surviving it than Trump does if they are both infected due to Trump's age and weight.

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:06 pm I wonder if it's a play to become president. After all Pense has a much better chance of surviving it than Trump does if they are both infected due to Trump's age and weight.

Hanlon's Razor, there's plenty of prior evidence of stupid there.

GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 7:01 pm P.S. I was 50 miles from NYC when the towers fell. I cheered when we shot Osama. Fucker deserved every bullet. If you'd handed me a gun, I'd have shot him three times and then peed on the corpse.

Okay, that seemed to be directed more to me, and if that's the case... I'm certainly not disputing that Osama Bin Laden had what was coming to him. To coin TV tropes terminology, "Laser-Guided Karma" is what befell him. That said, I still won't celebrate it. I won't judge you for doing so, in this case, and I'm NOT saying he wasn't handed sufficient vigilante justice. I think you're well within your rights to feel the way you do. However, I am also well within my rights to not exactly mourn the monster, but to still feel saddened from the state of humanity that we're celebrating loss of life, even for a twisted monster who killed so many innocents. Your proposed display frankly turns my stomach, though. You come off exactly like the strawman for those jihadistic fanatics that led to so much pain and death. How do you show any kind of moral high ground? By acting the same way, but from the opposite side? No, it's really telling this is the state to our society.

Celebrate all you want. I never did, and I never will.

You know I have no problem admitting that when I read we got Bin Laden I did a fist pump.

You can feel sad all you want, but saying that there's some sort of moral equivalence between killing hundreds, thousands of innocent people, and killing a mass murderer is ridiculous. The Nazi guard in the prison camp and the Jewish prisoner who shoots him to escape are not in some way equivalent. And if the Jewish prisoner kicked the corpse a few times, spat on it, and then peed on it? Still not a Nazi. I really don't have a problem drawing a moral distinction between the two.

If you don't like that, tough cookies. If you think you have a moral highground not celebrating, hah. I've found the "we need to be sad for all losses of life" crowd usually live in a moral basin where they sign off on horrors because "it's not their fault."

GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 8:02 pm You know I have no problem admitting that when I read we got Bin Laden I did a fist pump.

You can feel sad all you want, but saying that there's some sort of moral equivalence between killing hundreds, thousands of innocent people, and killing a mass murderer is ridiculous. The Nazi guard in the prison camp and the Jewish prisoner who shoots him to escape are not in some way equivalent. And if the Jewish prisoner kicked the corpse a few times, spat on it, and then peed on it? Still not a Nazi. I really don't have a problem drawing a moral distinction between the two.

If you don't like that, tough cookies. If you think you have a moral highground not celebrating, hah. I've found the "we need to be sad for all losses of life" crowd usually live in a moral basin where they sign off on horrors because "it's not their fault."

Okay, fine. How far do you take this line of hollow-fueled emotionalism? Would you support capturing Bin Laden, and torturing him? Electric torture, physical beatings, food deprivation, sleep deprivation, light deprivation, or other variations of punishment? Perhaps even reclassify it as a form of "enhanced interrogation technique" in the process to put upon official documents? I would not. Bring him to trial, or execute him, which we did. And since many would have come to view him as a martyr and tried to free him it's perhaps best to kill him off. I think any decent-minded human being should oppose such a view that we should have captured him and tortured him, however.

Frankly, your fallacious reasoning says the circumstances dependent on how awful you've been treated has a correlation in your return actions, that it doesn't matter what you do so long as you're attacked first, you're fully justified in dishing the same thing back out in return. I cannot support this approach. Too much trauma and pain and misery has come from that, dating back millennia. And look what our soldiers or the top brass did in the Middle East. I absolutely feel sorry for all the people over there. And yet, because we were attacked first on 9/11, when it was a handful of individuals instead of a whole group of people, there's too much shrugging that enters the discussion. It's only natural our soldiers and the generals behaved that way. They struck at us. No. Therein lies a very dangerous path that will lead us into the darkest places of the human psyche. It's best to avoid it. Temper your response and act appropriately. It should just be common sense. How is this not?

Torture accomplishes fucking nothing. Kill him and be done with it.

Captain Crimson wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 8:34 pmFrankly, your fallacious reasoning says the circumstances dependent on how awful you've been treated has a correlation in your return actions, that it doesn't matter what you do so long as you're attacked first, you're fully justified in dishing the same thing back out in return. I cannot support this approach.

Oh christ, send your moral high horse to the glue factory. Killing Osama Bin Laden was fully justified. Killing concentration camp guards was fully justified.

Should we have invaded Iraq? No. Did all of the civilians we maimed and killed deserve it? Hell no. Am I going to shed a tear for Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, or any of those other evil fucks? Not a one. There's some people where their death makes the world a better place. It was their choices that lead to that being the condition of their lives.

As I said, I haven't met a single pissant riding that high horse that I considered even the slightest bit ethical. Most of them have the moral fiber of bacon grease.