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Greenland's Ice Sheet Has Melted Past 'The Point of No Return' Due to Climate Change, Study Says
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:57 am
by GreyICE
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/weather/greenland-ice-sheet/index.html
Well, here we are. The Greenland Ice Sheet's inevitable melting will raise sea levels 20 feet. New York and Jersey City are obviously done for. Miami and Houston are done for. Seattle is in trouble (thank god for the hill, but the seafront is moving quite a few blocks upstreet). New Orleans is gone. Most of Florida is gone. Sacramento, gone.
That's the United States. Worldwide, quite a lot more. London is under threat. Dehli is in trouble. Large parts of China and Japan are in trouble. India is in huge, huge trouble everywhere. Australia, between the temperature rise and the sea level rise, might be largely uninhabitable.
So where do we go from here?
Re: Greenland's Ice Sheet Has Melted Past 'The Point of No Return' Due to Climate Change, Study Says
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:01 pm
by TGLS
GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:57 am
So where do we go from here?
Building Levies, Direct Air Capture, Geoengineering, Orbital Water Delivery...
Re: Greenland's Ice Sheet Has Melted Past 'The Point of No Return' Due to Climate Change, Study Says
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 2:41 pm
by BridgeConsoleMasher
TGLS wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:01 pm
GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:57 am
So where do we go from here?
Building Levies, Direct Air Capture, Geoengineering, Orbital Water Delivery...
And who's gonna do all that? You?
Re: Greenland's Ice Sheet Has Melted Past 'The Point of No Return' Due to Climate Change, Study Says
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:19 pm
by TGLS
Well I have had a lot of free time recently.
Re: Greenland's Ice Sheet Has Melted Past 'The Point of No Return' Due to Climate Change, Study Says
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:04 pm
by GreyICE
I think we also have to start talking about sensible relocation plans. Miami, large parts of Florida, Jersey City, etc. We might be able to save Manhattan, but I'm not sure throwing the resources into Brooklyn and Queens is a good ROI, and Staten Island certainly isn't.
Over the next few decades, we have to phase those places out of being human occupied in a methodical and minimally disruptive manner. We have to salvage them for the maximum amount we can to avoid it becoming ocean pollutants, and we need to abandon them. A controlled evacuation is the only way to deal with this, because rising sea level isn't going to be steady, it's going to show up as a storm that destroys everything and doesn't leave. And if that happens to a whole huge area all at once, it's way too big of a catastrophe.
We're into the part where we figure out how to survive this as a civilization, not how to survive this without disrupting our way of life. I'm not even joking. The next few Presidents have to start talking about relocating most of Florida. Possibly make a law that property can't be sold or transferred, and that on death the government will pay you a sum for it. That might be a reasonable method.
Re: Greenland's Ice Sheet Has Melted Past 'The Point of No Return' Due to Climate Change, Study Says
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:02 pm
by ProfessorDetective
GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:04 pm
I think we also have to start talking about sensible relocation plans. Miami, large parts of Florida, Jersey City, etc. We might be able to save Manhattan, but I'm not sure throwing the resources into Brooklyn and Queens is a good ROI, and Staten Island certainly isn't.
Over the next few decades, we have to phase those places out of being human occupied in a methodical and minimally disruptive manner. We have to salvage them for the maximum amount we can to avoid it becoming ocean pollutants, and we need to abandon them. A controlled evacuation is the only way to deal with this, because rising sea level isn't going to be steady, it's going to show up as a storm that destroys everything and doesn't leave. And if that happens to a whole huge area all at once, it's way too big of a catastrophe.
We're into the part where we figure out how to survive this as a civilization, not how to survive this without disrupting our way of life. I'm not even joking. The next few Presidents have to start talking about relocating most of Florida. Possibly make a law that property can't be sold or transferred, and that on death the government will pay you a sum for it. That might be a reasonable method.
Every person who has the power/means to actually enact such plans: 'But what do I have to gain?'
Re: Greenland's Ice Sheet Has Melted Past 'The Point of No Return' Due to Climate Change, Study Says
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:07 pm
by GreyICE
ProfessorDetective wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:02 pmEvery person who has the power/means to actually enact such plans: 'But what do I have to gain?'
Well in the long term, the social impact from millions of people simultaneously migrating will make the biggest hurricane disaster in history or COVID 19 look like a tiny blip. Actual economic collapse is bad.
Re: Greenland's Ice Sheet Has Melted Past 'The Point of No Return' Due to Climate Change, Study Says
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:33 pm
by J!!
Terraforming begins at home
Re: Greenland's Ice Sheet Has Melted Past 'The Point of No Return' Due to Climate Change, Study Says
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:44 pm
by GreyICE
J!! wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:33 pm
Terraforming begins at home
And with a short deadline and no idea how to do it too.
I suppose the reaction to simple, realistic lifesaving measures in the face of an inevitable threat does a lot to explain the COVID response. It really doesn't matter who was president in some ways, our plan to deal with an inevitable pandemic was always "haha yeah right, planning."
Re: Greenland's Ice Sheet Has Melted Past 'The Point of No Return' Due to Climate Change, Study Says
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:56 pm
by ProfessorDetective
GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:07 pm
ProfessorDetective wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:02 pmEvery person who has the power/means to actually enact such plans: 'But what do I have to gain?'
Well in the long term, the social impact from millions of people simultaneously migrating will make the biggest hurricane disaster in history or COVID 19 look like a tiny blip. Actual economic collapse is bad.
Well there's you're problem, you have to get them to think more than two steps ahead. If observing the insanity of the Video Games Industry and the response to the Pandemic has thought me anything, it's that our corporate overlords WILL forsake long-term stability for short-term prosperity. And if you think ANY of this will negitivly effect them... No, they have enough resources to ride out just about anything short of the planet completely disintergrating... Their GRANDKIDS might have issues, but's that's not THIER problem, so they don't care!