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So a right-wing idiot (and possible militia member) from Illinois decided to travel to Kenosha, and has killed two more people (and wounded a third). Reports of other shootings as well. This is fucking horrifying. Apparently the cops are working with the right wing militias as well.

I feel like there's a number of police forces that honestly want a civil war, because they seem hell bent on causing one.

Cops shot a man in the back seven times in Wisconsin, after trying to wrestle him and tase him and after he was reaching into a car after he was repeatedly told not to by the cops and by others at the scene.

This wasn't a case of, "Hey, I'm bored, let's go hunt some black people."

So a right-wing kid killed two people during a riot. The circumstances surrounding the first one are unclear, but he hung around to call in after the shooting. The second fatality was against someone kicking him as he lay on the ground (do they train leftists to do this ? Seems to happen an unusual amount lately), and the third guy had a gun out.

It's almost as if details don't matter to some people.

As far as the police being on the side of the right wing militias, they did stand by as right-wingers were involved in a conflict. Police also stood by as left-wingers were involved in a conflict, and I heard plenty of chatter on the right about how the police have taken sides, buy guns, etc.

Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:26 pm So a right-wing kid killed two people during a riot. The circumstances surrounding the first one are unclear, but he hung around to call in after the shooting. The second fatality was against someone kicking him as he lay on the ground (do they train leftists to do this ? Seems to happen an unusual amount lately), and the third guy had a gun out.

It's almost as if details don't matter to some people.

As far as the police being on the side of the right wing militias, they did stand by as right-wingers were involved in a conflict. Police also stood by as left-wingers were involved in a conflict, and I heard plenty of chatter on the right about how the police have taken sides, buy guns, etc.

You almost have to admire the moral contortions Darh Wedgius is doing to justify this.

If I'm being chased by an angry mob and they start beating me, if I have a gun I'm going to shoot. The first shootee may or may not have deserved it. We don't know. There have been plenty of beatings and violence from the left, and the first shooting may have been justified. Or it may not have been. But he didn't just shoot someone and run, he shot someone, hung around, and was chased away.

As to the second point, I'm saying that I saw similar accusations about police from the right. Take it all with a grain of salt.

What contortions?

Man, that's an awful lot of effort to prove a rightwing nutjob who drove from Illinois to the protests to run around waving a gun he couldn't even use properly was "justified" in shooting people. Why was he there in the first place? Oh, and once you've shot someone illegitimately, you don't have the right to self-defense. You're an active shooter at that point. Other people attacking you are exercising self-defense, because you're an active shooter with a gun and an active shooter with a gun can be taken down with any level of force, up to and including lethal force.

The shooter clearly drove from out of state with his gun in order to run around playing Rambo. He wasn't defending his community, he wasn't even protesting in support or opposition to a cause. He was running about waving his gun because he wanted to shoot people. Unsurprisingly he shot people.

We're going to end up needing licenses to open carry because gun owners like that are clearly violent shitheads and people are not going to put up with violent shitheads running around looking to get in to gun battles. Trash like that shouldn't own a gun, but if they do, the least we can do is limit them to sports hunting and home defense, since they so manifestly know nothing about guns.

Oh and this shithead is going to cop murder charges. There's a lot of racism in juries, but in Wisconsin, opportunity to retreat and opportunity to avoid the confrontation are things juries are allowed to consider in "self defense" claims, and there's like 18 different ways this dumbass was violating every single thing you'll learn in a self-defense class.

He was there to protect property from rioters. It appears that he was protecting an auto dealershiip this time, after some others had been destroyed.

Even if you shoot illegitimately, you don't have the right to defend yourself from people trying to apprehend you, but you do have the right to self-defense from people who are simply after revenge. A mob chasing you loses their right to self-defense.

Also, from what I can tell, the first shooting was due to a mob chasing him and throwing a molotov cocktail. That makes the first shooting self defense, too, if so.

So, two dead violent rioters, one severely wounded. I'm not going to celebrate their deaths and wounding (I'm not Fuzzy Necromancer), but I think the people who died and were maimed were the right people to die and get maimed.

Now, let's see what you've got:

The shooter clearly drove from out of state with his gun in order to run around playing Rambo. He wasn't defending his community, he wasn't even protesting in support or opposition to a cause. He was running about waving his gun because he wanted to shoot people. Unsurprisingly he shot people.

Ah, yes. He was wrong because you read his mind and you know why he was there.

Excuse me.

Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:31 pm He was there to protect property from rioters. It appears that he was protecting an auto dealershiip this time, after some others had been destroyed.

Sorry, but I've actually taken self-defense courses. There is no right to shoot someone to protect "property", especially property you don't own. There simply is no concept of this. You cannot shoot a person because you believe you are protecting stuff, especially someone else's stuff. You might have an argument if its your property (it'd be thin and sketchy, dependent on both the jury and the state, as well as the victim's actions) but someone else's? Nope.

What he was doing was coming in to engage in illegal shootouts. Fucker was a mass shooter waiting for an excuse.

Even if you shoot illegitimately, you don't have the right to defend yourself from people trying to apprehend you, but you do have the right to self-defense from people who are simply after revenge. A mob chasing you loses their right to self-defense.

Not as long as you have that gun they don't. If you murder someone and are still holding the gun you used to do it, you are an imminent deadly threat to anyone near you, and any level of force is justified in stopping that threat. You clearly have the mindset of a murderer, you clearly have the ability to kill again, and by waving the gun about you are clearly showing that a reasonable person would believe that a murderer could kill again.

Any level of force, as long as that gun is in the murderer's hands. Any level. They could have shot him on the street, and it would have been simple self defense. If I had seen that, and was armed, he'd get exactly one chance to put the gun down, and if he didn't, I'd have shot him. The idiotic thing was trying to get into a fistfight with an active shooter, but that's foolish, not "too much force".

Understand this - as soon as you commit a crime, you lose the right to self-defense. You can't rob a bank and then go "boo hoo, he was going to shoot me so I shot first." Fuck, even if it would have been manslaughter to shoot you because deadly force wasn't justified, the fact you started out by committing a crime means you ain't getting self defense if you shoot back. As soon as you start committing crimes, you are never ever ever getting self-defense. If you initiate a confrontation, you are not getting self-defense. If you escalate a confrontation, you are not getting self-defense.

Gun owners have a responsibility that comes with owning and bearing a firearm, and this fucking moron was the furthest thing from a responsible gun owner I can think of. Every step of his idiocy was criminal stupidity, and no shit he killed people because of it.

That kid should have stayed home and watch cartoons. Or better, jerk off to porn. But I guess he wanted to jerk off his assault rifle instead. Oh well, hope he enjoys prison.