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That's been the MO of the GOP for decades. I mean it's telling that the report from 2012 said they needed to court immigrant communities and especially Latinos in order to say viable long term and instead they set up concentration camps.CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:46 pm I feel like someone has instilled into their heads that doubling down is the only way to respond to any mistake.
And now they can't admit Trump was a huge one.
Yeah, that was never going to happen because the deep seething racism was the motivation for a lot of them.Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:32 pmThat's been the MO of the GOP for decades. I mean it's telling that the report from 2012 said they needed to court immigrant communities and especially Latinos in order to say viable long term and instead they set up concentration camps.
Will it still be a mistake if he wins?CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:46 pm I feel like someone has instilled into their heads that doubling down is the only way to respond to any mistake.
And now they can't admit Trump was a huge one.
Only if they win 2032.clearspira wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:40 pmWill it still be a mistake if he wins?CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:46 pm I feel like someone has instilled into their heads that doubling down is the only way to respond to any mistake.
And now they can't admit Trump was a huge one.
Under what context? In terms of what's best for the average citizen's health and well being? Fuck yes. In terms of what's best for the GOP long term? Fuck yes. In terms of what's best for America's foreign policy? Fuck yes. In terms of what's best for a handful of rich billionaires who are making a fortune off this shit? Yeah, they'd call not electing Trump a mistake.clearspira wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:40 pmWill it still be a mistake if he wins?CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:46 pm I feel like someone has instilled into their heads that doubling down is the only way to respond to any mistake.
And now they can't admit Trump was a huge one.
That last part. Is anyone better off now or even before Covid happened then 2016? Or was it business as usual?GreyICE wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:43 pmUnder what context? In terms of what's best for the average citizen's health and well being? Fuck yes. In terms of what's best for the GOP long term? Fuck yes. In terms of what's best for America's foreign policy? Fuck yes. In terms of what's best for a handful of rich billionaires who are making a fortune off this shit? Yeah, they'd call not electing Trump a mistake.clearspira wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:40 pmWill it still be a mistake if he wins?CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:46 pm I feel like someone has instilled into their heads that doubling down is the only way to respond to any mistake.
And now they can't admit Trump was a huge one.
Is there anyway you can look around you at the people in America in 2020, today, and go "yeah, they're better off than they were in 2016?" Is there any way in the world our trajectory looks upwards from here under "business as Trump-usual?"'
If the answer to those in "no" then yes, Trump was a fucking mistake.
Yeah well, I think your going to have a very hard time finding a president who single-handedly destroyed the economy in one term. On the other hand, the list of presidents who lost elections because the economy sucked is relatively long.McAvoy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:46 am That last part. Is anyone better off now or even before Covid happened then 2016? Or was it business as usual?
His constant claim that he made the greatest economy in history. He was sitting on an economy that statistically was going up since Obama. He just didn't do anything that made it go down. So good for him, he didn't fuck with the economy.