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The Pandora Papers AKA the Panama Papers 2.0

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:16 pm
by ProfessorDetective
The biggest offshore financial data leak ever...

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/o ... d-powerful

Re: The Pandora Papers AKA the Panama Papers 2.0

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:38 pm
by clearspira
What amuses me is how this is in any way a surprise to anyone. The top 10% are sleazy - newsflash.

Re: The Pandora Papers AKA the Panama Papers 2.0

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:38 pm
by Madner Kami
clearspira wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:38 pm What amuses me is how this is in any way a surprise to anyone. The top 10% are sleazy - newsflash.
True, but it's still nice to have it black on white instead of it "being common knowledge". The effect will still be zero though, because for some unfathomable reason people keep voting the same sleazebags into office, which enable other sleazebags to do their sleazebagging since decades.

Re: The Pandora Papers AKA the Panama Papers 2.0

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:12 am
by Fuzzy Necromancer
Well it won't be a complete zero effect. Keep an eye on the reporters behind this leak, as they are likely to shoot themselves in the back of the head with their non-dominant hand soon.

Re: The Pandora Papers AKA the Panama Papers 2.0

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 8:49 am
by Deledrius
clearspira wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:38 pm What amuses me is how this is in any way a surprise to anyone. The top 10% are sleazy - newsflash.
Not really surprising, but there is a difference between "knowing" and knowing. Sometimes there can be consequences (though disproportionate) from this kind of thing, and not always for the most at-fault individuals, but it can and does happen. Of course, someone else will just take their place.

Re: The Pandora Papers AKA the Panama Papers 2.0

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 3:38 pm
by Nealithi
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 5:12 am Well it won't be a complete zero effect. Keep an eye on the reporters behind this leak, as they are likely to shoot themselves in the back of the head with their non-dominant hand soon.
Not so sure on that. The article is written in nice vague and broad strokes.
Labyrinthine processes? You mean a bank right? I am betting that they can all be described that way.
The lack of specifics reminds me of spin I heard of in a legal case.
A man pulled to the side of the road in a high crime area. Was working on an electronic device. Declared he had a gun. He had a flash drive in his pocket and drugs on him!

It was his phone, he pulled over because his GPS locked up. The gun declaration was handing a police officer his permit. The flash drive was of pictures of his deceased father. The pills were nitroglycerin pills for his own heart condition.

Details alter given facts and change PoV. So this will get a few sales then vanish again because pinning real wrong doing with this is probably impossible. I mean one of the people has a Picasso in the bank!
And? Whoever probably bought it as an investment and it is in the bank for security.

Re: The Pandora Papers AKA the Panama Papers 2.0

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:27 pm
by Frustration
The bottom 90% is also sleaze. It's why voting in new people never helps. You're replacing sleaze with... more sleaze.

Re: The Pandora Papers AKA the Panama Papers 2.0

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:13 pm
by Fuzzy Necromancer
That sounds like a helpful attitude that will challenge the status quo alright.

Re: The Pandora Papers AKA the Panama Papers 2.0

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:54 pm
by Nealithi
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:13 pm That sounds like a helpful attitude that will challenge the status quo alright.
I hope you don't mind but I am going to challenge this statement.

You wish to challenge the status quo IE what is considered normal. Well think about everything under that heading. I think if you made a full list you would not want to challenge it. You wish to alter pieces of it that are not apparently functioning properly. But one piece that has to be challenged and altered is reporting on issues. Media can make anyone seem a villain by leaving out details or cutting a comment to pieces and only using the parts they wish to use.

Re: The Pandora Papers AKA the Panama Papers 2.0

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 3:00 am
by Fuzzy Necromancer
Okay then, let me say something different. Most of the bottom 90% isn't nearly as sleazy as most of the 10%, never mind any random sample of the 1% or the paragons of evil that make up the Billionaire class. Treating it all as interchangeable is both inaccurate and unhelpful.

And on the subject of status quos, the most unjust parts of the status quo are the things said 1% is either causing or perpetuating, whereas most of the parts of the status quo that make life pleasant could easily carry on if they all dropped dead tomorrow. Better?