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CharlesPhipps wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:05 am

McAvoy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:13 am There has to be a debt somewhere. You have to pay for for college and university.

Unless you are suggesting college and university should be taxpayer funded.

I'm trying to figure out why anyone wouldn't think a highly educated populace wouldn't be worth the government's subsidy.

I can think of a few reasons, but they only tend to make sense if you're rich and powerful. For a functioning capitalist democracy, however, it's a net win for producing a healthier, more stable, more robust and innovative country.

Deledrius wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:00 pm I can think of a few reasons, but they only tend to make sense if you're rich and powerful. For a functioning capitalist democracy, however, it's a net win for producing a healthier, more stable, more robust and innovative country.

I would argue that "functioning" capitalist democracy is ephemeral in nature and can only exist as the point when capital is catching its breath after being brought to the brink of destruction. I mean student loan debt as it exists now was created because those in power thought too many educated people would lead to a communist revolution in the US.

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:55 pm

Deledrius wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:00 pm I can think of a few reasons, but they only tend to make sense if you're rich and powerful. For a functioning capitalist democracy, however, it's a net win for producing a healthier, more stable, more robust and innovative country.

I would argue that "functioning" capitalist democracy is ephemeral in nature and can only exist as the point when capital is catching its breath after being brought to the brink of destruction. I mean student loan debt as it exists now was created because those in power thought too many educated people would lead to a communist revolution in the US.

Democracy is whatever the elite of your democratic country tell you it is. Why do you think it doesn't work properly?

clearspira wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:52 am

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:55 pm

Deledrius wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:00 pm I can think of a few reasons, but they only tend to make sense if you're rich and powerful. For a functioning capitalist democracy, however, it's a net win for producing a healthier, more stable, more robust and innovative country.

I would argue that "functioning" capitalist democracy is ephemeral in nature and can only exist as the point when capital is catching its breath after being brought to the brink of destruction. I mean student loan debt as it exists now was created because those in power thought too many educated people would lead to a communist revolution in the US.

Democracy is whatever the elite of your democratic country tell you it is. Why do you think it doesn't work properly?

Functioning democracy can only be achieved through anarchism which is why the destruction of anarchists is the one thing that all the great powers can agree on.

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:16 pm
Functioning democracy can only be achieved through anarchism which is why the destruction of anarchists is the one thing that all the great powers can agree on.

Democracy requires compromising and accepting going with the wider consensus. Anarchism doesn't seem to respect that.

Riedquat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:48 pm

Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:16 pm
Functioning democracy can only be achieved through anarchism which is why the destruction of anarchists is the one thing that all the great powers can agree on.

Democracy requires compromising and accepting going with the wider consensus. Anarchism doesn't seem to respect that.

A) How is that not compatible with anarchy?
B) How does that describe representative democracy at all where in the broad consensus is thrown out in favor of the wants of the rich? You know because concentrating more power in fewer people makes those people easier to buy.

Anarky lead to facism not freedom in long run

zewhuh? Like I don't think people living today, right now, would be well suited to living in anarchist society (because capitalism demands ways of thinking that are poisonous to it and everyone alive today has adopted those ways of thinking very deeply TO survive), but anarchists societies are about the only societal model that doesn't have demonstrable track records of collapsing into fascism (or something comparable). Anarchical societies tend to be small scale and rare, so we don't have the best data set, but still it seems more proof against typical fascistic takeovers than most assuming you could get it to a healthy state to start with.

CmdrKing wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:13 am Anarchical societies tend to be small scale and rare, so we don't have the best data set, but still it seems more proof against typical fascistic takeovers than most assuming you could get it to a healthy state to start with.

If they haven't existed in an appreciable scale of time or size, I think you're assuming things if you think they're more capable of resisting authoritarianism. Besides that, I think they still haven't resolved the contradiction of needing something resembling a government to handle the handing out of resources (according to need/labour/etc), and the total rejection of anything resembling a government.

If Slab City in California is any indication of what anarchists can accomplish then count me out. The place looks like it's one step away from being attacked by super mutants.