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https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/20/us/alaba ... index.html

Now let say I have no idea what this is, explain it to me.

Frozen embryos as in fully fertilized eggs is considered children and cannot be destroyed.

I think this is a more complicated discussion than regular abortion because the standard arguments of ''the woman's life'' or ''my body my choice'' or ''an unwanted child being born underneath a pool table'' no longer apply. This really is just an egg sitting on a shelf minding its own business that you are trying to throw away because you do not want it anymore. That doesn't sit right with me, life shouldn't be that disposable.

For the record I am pro-abortion, I just do not think that this is the same discussion at all.

They weren't even thrown away in this case, they were being stored for later use by people who very much wanted them and some idiot who wasn't even supposed to be there killed them by accident.

Although since this ruling effectively banned IFV in the state and they wouldn't be able to use them anyway they would have had to throw them out now.

So banning them sounds like a bad thing.

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:13 am I think this is a more complicated discussion than regular abortion because the standard arguments of ''the woman's life'' or ''my body my choice'' or ''an unwanted child being born underneath a pool table'' no longer apply. This really is just an egg sitting on a shelf minding its own business that you are trying to throw away because you do not want it anymore. That doesn't sit right with me, life shouldn't be that disposable.

For the record I am pro-abortion, I just do not think that this is the same discussion at all.

So you're morally oppposed to in-vitro fertilization? Because the process cannot be done without throwing away lots of eggs.

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:13 am I think this is a more complicated discussion than regular abortion because the standard arguments of ''the woman's life'' or ''my body my choice'' or ''an unwanted child being born underneath a pool table'' no longer apply. This really is just an egg sitting on a shelf minding its own business that you are trying to throw away because you do not want it anymore. That doesn't sit right with me, life shouldn't be that disposable.

For the record I am pro-abortion, I just do not think that this is the same discussion at all.

An egg might be the potential for life but it isn't life. Let's not go down the "every sperm is sacred" path.

Riedquat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:35 pm

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:13 am I think this is a more complicated discussion than regular abortion because the standard arguments of ''the woman's life'' or ''my body my choice'' or ''an unwanted child being born underneath a pool table'' no longer apply. This really is just an egg sitting on a shelf minding its own business that you are trying to throw away because you do not want it anymore. That doesn't sit right with me, life shouldn't be that disposable.

For the record I am pro-abortion, I just do not think that this is the same discussion at all.

An egg might be the potential for life but it isn't life. Let's not go down the "every sperm is sacred" path.

It’s definitely an organism. Human life would be a harder argument.

BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:01 pm

Riedquat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:35 pm

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:13 am I think this is a more complicated discussion than regular abortion because the standard arguments of ''the woman's life'' or ''my body my choice'' or ''an unwanted child being born underneath a pool table'' no longer apply. This really is just an egg sitting on a shelf minding its own business that you are trying to throw away because you do not want it anymore. That doesn't sit right with me, life shouldn't be that disposable.

For the record I am pro-abortion, I just do not think that this is the same discussion at all.

An egg might be the potential for life but it isn't life. Let's not go down the "every sperm is sacred" path.

It’s definitely an organism. Human life would be a harder argument.

Life in the technical biological sense perhaps, but no more than that.

BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:01 pm

Riedquat wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:35 pm

clearspira wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:13 am I think this is a more complicated discussion than regular abortion because the standard arguments of ''the woman's life'' or ''my body my choice'' or ''an unwanted child being born underneath a pool table'' no longer apply. This really is just an egg sitting on a shelf minding its own business that you are trying to throw away because you do not want it anymore. That doesn't sit right with me, life shouldn't be that disposable.

For the record I am pro-abortion, I just do not think that this is the same discussion at all.

An egg might be the potential for life but it isn't life. Let's not go down the "every sperm is sacred" path.

It’s definitely an organism. Human life would be a harder argument.

I think it would be almost impossible to make that argument unless one uses the broadest, most useless definitions of Human Life. "Organism" is not even a given, since this is not a self-sustaining object that can respirate or reproduce. It cannot survive on its own. It is not a living thing. It is a potential precursor; even that is a gamble.

It is, by any rational definition, clearly on the "not yet life" side of the argument the same as a sperm or egg cell. It is closer to that line than either of them, but even with fuzzy borders it doesn't qualify as life.

It only qualifies under mysticism, and this constant shifting of the Overton window that's being used as a wedge issue.