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The "tiktok ban" is SO MUCH WORSE than it sounds

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 9:27 pm
by Fuzzy Necromancer
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a3ddb/ ... iktok-vpns
Incredibly broad powers to shut down anyone's internet data without due process and censor what they like. I thought KOSA was bad, but this is worse.

Re: The "tiktok ban" is SO MUCH WORSE than it sounds

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:36 am
by Nealithi
I do love the part where they say the threshold is too high to go for regular users and is meant to target providers.
Say wasn't that the line they used to seize homes and vehicles in the war on drugs? And some how targeted regular folk more than known dealers? Hmm.

Re: The "tiktok ban" is SO MUCH WORSE than it sounds

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:38 am
by CharlesPhipps
I mean, I support the ban because it's being used as intelligence gathering by a foreign power.

Re: The "tiktok ban" is SO MUCH WORSE than it sounds

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:50 am
by clearspira
CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:38 am I mean, I support the ban because it's being used as intelligence gathering by a foreign power.
Whereas Facebook is being used as intelligence gathering by your own government. That better is it?

Re: The "tiktok ban" is SO MUCH WORSE than it sounds

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:30 am
by Madner Kami
clearspira wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:50 am
CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:38 am I mean, I support the ban because it's being used as intelligence gathering by a foreign power.
Whereas Facebook is being used as intelligence gathering by your own government. That better is it?
Whataboutism? Thought you'd be smarter than that. Government-surveillance is always bad, but it's especially bad, if done by an authoritarian, totalitarian regime that's willing to murder it's own people.

Re: The "tiktok ban" is SO MUCH WORSE than it sounds

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:11 pm
by clearspira
Madner Kami wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:30 am
clearspira wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:50 am
CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:38 am I mean, I support the ban because it's being used as intelligence gathering by a foreign power.
Whereas Facebook is being used as intelligence gathering by your own government. That better is it?
Whataboutism? Thought you'd be smarter than that. Government-surveillance is always bad, but it's especially bad, if done by an authoritarian, totalitarian regime that's willing to murder it's own people.
''Incredibly broad powers to shut down anyone's internet data without due process and censor what they like. I thought KOSA was bad, but this is worse.''

America is on the road to being pretty authoritarian itself. And I can list you plenty of times that America has killed its own people too. Even experimented on.

Not saying its as bad as China, but I reject the idea of whataboutism. There is a thin line between East and West that is getting thinner with each passing day.

Re: The "tiktok ban" is SO MUCH WORSE than it sounds

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:22 pm
by BridgeConsoleMasher
clearspira wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:50 am
CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:38 am I mean, I support the ban because it's being used as intelligence gathering by a foreign power.
Whereas Facebook is being used as intelligence gathering by your own government. That better is it?
You're making it seem like it's an issue of the constitution not being followed to the letter or something.

China's government on an east/west front has been known to act aggressively in economic interests. It hardly resembles any issues that America has either with its own people or abroad.

Re: The "tiktok ban" is SO MUCH WORSE than it sounds

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:33 pm
by CharlesPhipps
clearspira wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:50 am
CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:38 am I mean, I support the ban because it's being used as intelligence gathering by a foreign power.
Whereas Facebook is being used as intelligence gathering by your own government. That better is it?
I think Zuckeberg should be investigated for complicity in the genocide of Burma and other placs governments have used data sold by Facebook.

Re: The "tiktok ban" is SO MUCH WORSE than it sounds

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:13 pm
by Fuzzy Necromancer
CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 4:38 am I mean, I support the ban because it's being used as intelligence gathering by a foreign power.
Did you even READ the article?

Re: The "tiktok ban" is SO MUCH WORSE than it sounds

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 5:05 pm
by Nobody700
I just want TikTok banned.

Don't send me a 2,000 word thing on why it's wrong, I know it's wrong. But I just want TikTok banned.