Proposal: Voucher system

[McAvoy]

So I came up with this idea. What if a American Citizen, born and raised were to vouch for an illegal?

What if I knew a person that was here to make a life for himself. He is a good person. Never will do a bad thing that any of us would do willingly. He works, he puts a roof over his family. Feeds them etc. What if I vouched for this man?

Let's put conditions on this. That I would be directly responsible for him. Anything he does wrong will come back to me. The penalties could be negotiated with the government if this hypothetical idea came to be.

But let's say he does nothing illegal, and after five years or so he can become a US citizen. Through the same test they do with others. After that, I am released as he is a citizen. But it would be only a one time thing.

I will get the obvious out of the way. Yes it can be corrupted. Everything can.

What do you think of this hypothetical idea to illegal immigration?

[sayla0079]

I wouldn't mind doing that for my cousin's ex in laws or ex husband (they have green cards but who knows what happens) if anything for my cousin's children(they were born here) so they don't lose their father or remaining grandparents.

[CharlesPhipps]

So I came up with this idea. What if a American Citizen, born and raised were to vouch for an illegal?

What if I knew a person that was here to make a life for himself. He is a good person. Never will do a bad thing that any of us would do willingly. He works, he puts a roof over his family. Feeds them etc. What if I vouched for this man?

Let's put conditions on this. That I would be directly responsible for him. Anything he does wrong will come back to me. The penalties could be negotiated with the government if this hypothetical idea came to be.

But let's say he does nothing illegal, and after five years or so he can become a US citizen. Through the same test they do with others. After that, I am released as he is a citizen. But it would be only a one time thing.

I will get the obvious out of the way. Yes it can be corrupted. Everything can.

What do you think of this hypothetical idea to illegal immigration?

I mean the whole point is that immigration is being attacked on racist grounds. The people who come here usually have a pretty good reason for it.

Either financial or life saving.

But the people who want them gone want them gone for purely emotional reasons.

Take MS13, Trump's example of EVIL IMMIGRANTS. MS13 is a LOS ANGELES street gang that the GOP assholes in California deported to El Salvador. The people there proceeded to TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY (until things got fascist) using their drug and gun contacts in LA.

But that story isn't one the anti-immigration people want to share.

[McAvoy]

Oh there is no debate that illegals is just a focal point of the modern day era America on who to blame for all the wrongs in the world. Exaggeration of course.

I mean every generation the policians or public decides what part of the population of the US is the enemy. Today it's anyone south of the border and doesn't matter of their reasons. Them being illegal is just a convenient icing on the cake.

Many don't speak English, they take the lowest jobs, they work hard, they are willing to work under the table, they will send money out to their families in their mother country. Etc. Then add other stuff to it.

[McAvoy]

Don't get me wrong. I know the argument will be made that this could be corrupted.

But I think the most American thing someone could do is vouch for someone who wants to be an American. Illegal or not. You take your citizenship, your word on this one person to be a capable, follow the law, contributer of society against your own. You are responsible for him or her.

So if I vouch for this person I stake my own citizenship. I actually like the idea. And I know a few I would do without a doubt and I know I would be fighting for that honor.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I'm not sure if governments allow you to assume such degrees of responsibility. Financial liability can be dawned as a matter of social contract and assumed good faith mutual beneficiary prospects but with the understandable risk associated with investment. However, just assuming responsibility for the agency of another emancipated individual is totally unfounded in the eyes of the public.

[hammerofglass]

When my great grandparents came over you just had to do some paperwork at the entry point, and a government employee did most of the actual writing because literacy was very low. It doesn't need to be this bloody complicated and didn't used to be.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Yeah. One of the boxes you could check was "stowaway" for your paperwork. However, at some point we decided we didn't want to take in any more Jewish people. Now people grow old and die waiting to become full citizens.

[McAvoy]

I'm not sure if governments allow you to assume such degrees of responsibility. Financial liability can be dawned as a matter of social contract and assumed good faith mutual beneficiary prospects but with the understandable risk associated with investment. However, just assuming responsibility for the agency of another emancipated individual is totally unfounded in the eyes of the public.

There would be rules and legal leeway if this would ever happen. If for example I vouched for Renee from Guatemala I would be legally responsible for him not to get into legal trouble. I would make sure Renee wouldn't do anything illegal, perhaps help him financially if I am able to. But only for let's say five years. Only him though. One per citizen and that's it.

Obviously you have to choose the right person. Otherwise this person could send you to jail and fines as part of the Voucher system.