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Epistemic Crisis

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:53 pm
by Fuzzy Necromancer
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... mic-crisis
We don’t know yet if Mueller has the goods — documentary or testimonial proof of explicit collusion — or if he can get them, so we have no idea how this is ultimately going to play out.

But we are disturbingly close to the following scenario:

Say Mueller reveals hard proof that the Trump campaign knowingly colluded with Russia, strategically using leaked emails to hurt Clinton’s campaign. Say the president — backed by the Wall Street Journal editorial page, Fox News, Breitbart, most of the US Cabinet, half the panelists on CNN, most of the radio talk show hosts in the country, and an enormous network of Russian-paid hackers and volunteer shitposters working through social media — rejects the evidence.

They might say Mueller is compromised. It’s a Hillary/Deep State plot. There’s nothing wrong with colluding with Russia in this particular way. Dems did it first. All of the above. Whatever.

Say the entire right-wing media machine kicks to life and dismisses the whole thing as a scam — and conservatives believe them. The conservative base remains committed to Trump, politicians remain scared to cross the base, and US politics remains stuck in partisan paralysis, unable to act on what Mueller discovers.

In short, what if Mueller proves the case and it’s not enough? What if there is no longer any evidentiary standard that could overcome the influence of right-wing media?…

Epistemology is the branch of philosophy having to do with how we know things and what it means for something to be true or false, accurate or inaccurate. (Episteme, or ἐπιστήμη, is ancient Greek for knowledge/science/understanding.)

The US is experiencing a deep epistemic breach, a split not just in what we value or want, but in who we trust, how we come to know things, and what we believe we know — what we believe exists, is true, has happened and is happening.

The primary source of this breach, to make a long story short, is the US conservative movement’s rejection of the mainstream institutions devoted to gathering and disseminating knowledge (journalism, science, the academy) — the ones society has appointed as referees in matters of factual dispute.

In their place, the right has created its own parallel set of institutions, most notably its own media ecosystem.

But the right’s institutions are not of the same kind as the ones they seek to displace. Mainstream scientists and journalists see themselves as beholden to values and standards that transcend party or faction. They try to separate truth from tribal interests and have developed various guild rules and procedures to help do that. They see themselves as neutral arbiters, even if they do not always uphold that ideal in practice.

The pretense for the conservative revolution was that mainstream institutions had failed in their role as neutral arbiters — that they had been taken over by the left, become agents of the left in referee’s clothing, as it were.

But the right did not want better neutral arbiters. The institutions it built scarcely made any pretense of transcending faction; they are of and for the right. There is nominal separation of conservative media from conservative politicians, think tanks, and lobbyists, but in practice, they are all part of the conservative movement. They are prosecuting its interests; that is the ur-goal.

Indeed, the far right rejects the very idea of neutral, binding arbiters; there is only Us and Them, only a zero-sum contest for resources. That mindset leads to what I call “tribal epistemology” — the systematic conflation of what is true with what is good for the tribe.

There’s always been a conspiratorial and xenophobic fringe on the right, but it was (fitfully) held in place by gatekeepers through the early decades of America’s post-war prosperity. The explosion of right-wing media in the 1990s and 2000s swept those gatekeepers away, giving the loudest voice, the most exposure, and the most power to the most extreme elements on the right. The right-wing media ecosystem became a bubble from which fewer and fewer inhabitants ever ventured.

As the massive post-election study of online media from Harvard (which got far too little attention) showed, media is not symmetrical any more than broader polarization is. “Prominent media on the left are well distributed across the center, center-left, and left,” the researchers found. “On the right, prominent media are highly partisan.”

When mapping out sources of online news, researchers found that the two basic poles were the center-left and the far-right.

The center of gravity of the overall landscape is the center-left. Partisan media sources on the left are integrated into this landscape and are of lesser importance than the major media outlets of the center-left. The center of attention and influence for conservative media is on the far right. The center-right is of minor importance and is the least represented portion of the media spectrum.

In short, they conclude, “conservative media is more partisan and more insular than the left.”

That insular partisan far-right media is also full of nonsense like Pizzagate that leaves the base continuously pumped up — outraged, infuriated, terrified, and misled. At this point, as the stories above show, the conservative base will believe anything. And they are pissed about all of it.

As Brian Beutler wrote in a scathing piece recently, the mainstream media has never learned to deal with the right-wing bubble — it has not learned how not to take bad-faith lies seriously. And now we will all reap the consequences…

Say he pardons everyone. People will argue on cable TV about whether he should have. One side will say up, the other will say down. Trump may have done this, but what about when Obama did that? What about Hillary’s emails? Whatabout this, whatabout that, whatabout whatabout whatabout?

There is no longer any settling such arguments. The only way to settle any argument is for both sides to be committed, at least to some degree, to shared standards of evidence and accuracy, and to place a measure of shared trust in institutions meant to vouchsafe evidence and accuracy. Without that basic agreement, without common arbiters, there can be no end to dispute.

If one side rejects the epistemic authority of society’s core institutions and practices, there’s just nothing left to be done. Truth cannot speak for itself, like the voice of God from above. It can only speak through human institutions and practices.

The subject of climate change offers a crystalline example here. If climate science does its thing, checks and rechecks its work, and then the Republican Party simply refuses to accept it … what then?

That’s what US elites are truly afraid to confront: What if facts and persuasion just don’t matter anymore?

I don't know how much productive discourse to expect from this thread, but well, I am really scared. ._.

Re: Epistemic Crisis

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:00 pm
by Antiboyscout
If this article thinks that CNN is in anyway Fair, balanced, half conservative, center, or center left then you can safely disregard the assumptions in the article.

Re: Epistemic Crisis

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:31 am
by PerrySimm
We are a long way from the days when Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, and Peter Jennings all got things mostly right after a long day of earnest effort.

When a philosophical opinion piece can be judged 100% wrong because of a disagreement over 0.3% of its content, one must agree civil society has ended.

The questions then are: are there any means by which any amount of trust can be restored between the disparate groups of American society, and if persuasion must be done without facts, what other means of agreement can be found?

Re: Epistemic Crisis

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:03 am
by Fuzzy Necromancer
PerrySimm wrote:We are a long way from the days when Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, and Peter Jennings all got things mostly right after a long day of earnest effort.

When a philosophical opinion piece can be judged 100% wrong because of a disagreement over 0.3% of its content, one must agree civil society has ended.

The questions then are: are there any means by which any amount of trust can be restored between the disparate groups of American society, and if persuasion must be done without facts, what other means of agreement can be found?
Frell if I know. =/

Re: Epistemic Crisis

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:31 pm
by LittleRaven
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe US institutions have more life in them than I think. But at this point, it’s just very difficult to imagine anything that could bridge the epistemic gulf between America’s tribes. We are split in two, living in different worlds, with different stories and facts shaping our lives. We no longer learn or know things together, as a country, so we can no longer act together, as a country.

So we may just have to live with a president indicted for collusion with a foreign power.
I like the article, but man, the author pens these lines like they're some kind of revelation. Of course we might have to live with Trump even if he did horrible things. That should be obvious.

Impeachment is an explicitly political process, meant to operate on political lines. It has nothing to do with justice, and everything to do with confidence. A president who enjoys political support is immune to impeachment regardless of his sins...and a president who has lost public support is vulnerable despite his virtues. This is how things are supposed to work. Trump has lost much support...but not nearly enough to expose him to that threat. Not yet, at least.

As to the greater issue that the article raises...well, this piece won't raise your spirits any.
Over the course of three rainy, dreary days last week, I revisited and shook hands with the president’s base—that thirtysomething percent of the electorate who resolutely approve of the job he is doing, the segment of voters who share his view that the Russia investigation is a “witch hunt” that “has nothing to do with him,” and who applaud his judicial nominees and his determination to gut the federal regulatory apparatus. But what I wasn’t prepared for was how readily these same people had abandoned the contract he had made with them. Their satisfaction with Trump now seems untethered to the things they once said mattered to them the most.

...

It’s not that the people who made Trump president have generously moved the goalposts for him. It’s that they have eliminated the goalposts altogether.
Read the whole thing. It's well worth it.

Re: Epistemic Crisis

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:24 am
by Fuzzy Necromancer
Should I? Should I, really?

Will it in any way galvanize me to action, or will it just make me want to delay somebody's morning commute and quit while I'm behind?

Re: Epistemic Crisis

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:02 am
by LittleRaven
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote:Should I? Should I, really?

Will it in any way galvanize me to action, or will it just make me want to delay somebody's morning commute and quit while I'm behind?
Uh, yeah, you should. You clearly care about the political direction of the country. This will provide some critical insight. I don't know if it will galvanize you to action...in fact, I kinda hope it doesn't, because my takeaway from the article is that our actions are limited, but it will give you the scope of the problem.

Re: Epistemic Crisis

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:06 am
by Fuzzy Necromancer
Well, I ask because this really sounds less like something I can do anything with, and more like something that will drive me to bleach-drinking levels of hopelessness and despair. Comprende?

Re: Epistemic Crisis

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:08 am
by LittleRaven
Dude, don't take politics THAT seriously. It's not worth it.

Re: Epistemic Crisis

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:23 am
by Fuzzy Necromancer
LittleRaven wrote:Dude, don't take politics THAT seriously. It's not worth it.
You varblenecking klorbagger, politics ARE serious.
They are, literally, a matter of life and death.

Look at the LGBT "politics" going on in Chechyna. Look at the people losing their disability benefits in the UK when that is literally what is keeping them alive. Look at the cuts to food stamps.

I can't take a relaxed attitude to politics because when the fuckers in chief tweet the wrong thing, people I care about die.