Was the Star Wars Disney Sequel Trilogy Concepts Well Executed?

[clearspira]

I blame writing for that. Han Solo was written like a bad father or worse a absentee father. Leia seemed to be indifferent. Luke, or Uncle Luke seemed to be a different character than we saw in OT when he momentarily felt he needed to kill his own nephew due feeling the Dark Side in him.

The Sequel Trilogy just seemed to make the whole OT characters look worse than they should have been. Was it done on purpose? To make the new characters look better in comparison? Or was it just bad writing?

I can see Han being a absent dad I have to say. He was always a free spirit and it is very cliche Hollywood to have the "bad boy changed by a woman and kids". Realistically, he probably would have doinked another woman behind Leias back and then left. Think about it: he is the most famous man in the galaxy barring a handful and probably surrounded by hot women all day, all willing to throw themselves at him. Most men would find it hard to stay faithful.

I think you got Han wrong. What exactly made him a free spirit? That he wanted to leave? He did have a bounty on his head afterall. Yes he was more of a free spirit in ANH.

You really have to think how he was in the original trilogy when it came to his friends.

Han is meant to be a dodgy motherfucker turned nice guy, that's his arc. I'm saying that in real life that very rarely ever sticks.

And you know what else is Hollywood bullshit? That a guy can get with a woman who has a bikini model's body and remain faithful to her when that body vanishes. Han is old but he has clearly remained in shape, able to fight hand-to-hand and run away from guys half his age. Age and food has not been as kind to Leia. She is not the same woman he married anymore, and again in real life, that is the chief reason for divorce.

You know that stereotype of ''nice guys''? Those hangers-on who orbit women in the hope that they break up with their boyfriend whilst meanwhile moaning about friendzones? Women do that too its just more socially acceptable for them to do it. I guarantee you that hot women would be hanging around General Han Solo who owns the fastest spaceship in the galaxy just as how in real life they hang around the guy who owns a Mercedes. To say that he wouldn't be tempted is to ignore human nature.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I don’t think body politics plays into it much. When you’re riding Han Solo you don’t have to center it around sex appeal, especially in Star Wars. Those kind of issues aren’t really expected in this kind of movie, or I wouldn’t expect it in the original trilogy or even the prequel trilogy.

[McAvoy]

Wasn't Han described as a scoundrel with a heart of gold somewhere?

You know chances are that it just didn't work out for any particular reason. Or it did and Han was just out on a job while Leia was doing her own thing. Never was really fleshed out what happened or was happening between the two of them.

But what we do know is that Han will do alot for his friends. Han rescued Luke when he was told not to in incredibly difficult and dangerous environment for example.

[Nealithi]

Wasn't Han described as a scoundrel with a heart of gold somewhere?

You know chances are that it just didn't work out for any particular reason. Or it did and Han was just out on a job while Leia was doing her own thing. Never was really fleshed out what happened or was happening between the two of them.

But what we do know is that Han will do alot for his friends. Han rescued Luke when he was told not to in incredibly difficult and dangerous environment for example.

Even though I am not fond of the direction of the arc. I thought the first sequel pretty much spelled out that Ben needing to go to Luke was the reason he and Leia split up? That basically he couldn't handle losing his son so he went back to what he knew that has no emotional baggage like a family does. And his reason for trying to bring his son back was between love and guilt?
As much as I dislike the sequel movies. I got the impression that Kylo would not have been able to kill Han if it was harder than a button press.

[McAvoy]

Wasn't Han described as a scoundrel with a heart of gold somewhere?

You know chances are that it just didn't work out for any particular reason. Or it did and Han was just out on a job while Leia was doing her own thing. Never was really fleshed out what happened or was happening between the two of them.

But what we do know is that Han will do alot for his friends. Han rescued Luke when he was told not to in incredibly difficult and dangerous environment for example.

Even though I am not fond of the direction of the arc. I thought the first sequel pretty much spelled out that Ben needing to go to Luke was the reason he and Leia split up? That basically he couldn't handle losing his son so he went back to what he knew that has no emotional baggage like a family does. And his reason for trying to bring his son back was between love and guilt?
As much as I dislike the sequel movies. I got the impression that Kylo would not have been able to kill Han if it was harder than a button press.

I don't remember that being brought up but I haven't watched Force Awakens in awhile.

[MaxWylde]

Obviously not. J.J. Abrams confessed that there was no real plan behind this series.

Chris Gore talked about one of the biggest betrayals for the Star Wars Fandom, the lack of a scene where we got to see all three of the big heroes from the Original Trilogy in a scene together. That, and the tragic death of Han Solo was terribly handled; he died the way a villain usually dies - falling down a vast height, that way you can't see the gruesome result. This was an indication both to him and to myself that this series was not in good capable hands.

Let's take an example Gore uses, the death of Spock from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Kirk, his best friend, is down there to say good-bye. To be with his friend at the last moments of his life. To hear his last words. The death of a major, important character like this isn't so much for the characters involved, but something for the audience; it's their chance to say good-bye too. We need to see how other characters important to that one responds to this tragedy, and we got that in Wrath of Khan. We did not get that in The Force Awakens, or in The Last Jedi.

We did not get Chewie saying good-bye to a mortally wounded Han Solo. Instead, what we got is Chewie howling and shooting Solo's son. Afterward, when they all return from Starkiller Base, Leia ignores Chewie and she hugs Rey instead. She should've gone right to Chewie; after all, who the Hell is Rey to Leia at this point? She's nothing to her, as far as she is concerned in this tragic moment. There should've been a moment where they're together and she says something poignant about the loss of her husband and his best friend! But we don't get that.

And what about Luke? Well, as Rian Johnson portrayed Luke, this was not Luke Skywalker. This was Jake Skywalker (according to Mark Hamill); a no-account bum now living as a hermit, taking no responsibility for his actions. We all hoped he was hiding out for some convoluted reason other than he didn't want to have anything to do with the present situation and he hoped to die on that island. His death was practically meaningless. I'm sure, given Rey's amazing and inexplicable capabilities, they all would've gotten out of there without Jake's help at the end because reasons.

He had nobody to be with at the end. Where was his friends to be with?

There are so many other things, and I could get into the socio-political issues, but I'm sure we have all heard them. The Disney Trilogy was awful, and hopefully is currently being erased by Jon Favreau in his efforts to revitalize Star Wars.

[McAvoy]

Obviously not. J.J. Abrams confessed that there was no real plan behind this series.

Chris Gore talked about one of the biggest betrayals for the Star Wars Fandom, the lack of a scene where we got to see all three of the big heroes from the Original Trilogy in a scene together. That, and the tragic death of Han Solo was terribly handled; he died the way a villain usually dies - falling down a vast height, that way you can't see the gruesome result. This was an indication both to him and to myself that this series was not in good capable hands.

Let's take an example Gore uses, the death of Spock from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. Kirk, his best friend, is down there to say good-bye. To be with his friend at the last moments of his life. To hear his last words. The death of a major, important character like this isn't so much for the characters involved, but something for the audience; it's their chance to say good-bye too. We need to see how other characters important to that one responds to this tragedy, and we got that in Wrath of Khan. We did not get that in The Force Awakens, or in The Last Jedi.

We did not get Chewie saying good-bye to a mortally wounded Han Solo. Instead, what we got is Chewie howling and shooting Solo's son. Afterward, when they all return from Starkiller Base, Leia ignores Chewie and she hugs Rey instead. She should've gone right to Chewie; after all, who the Hell is Rey to Leia at this point? She's nothing to her, as far as she is concerned in this tragic moment. There should've been a moment where they're together and she says something poignant about the loss of her husband and his best friend! But we don't get that.

And what about Luke? Well, as Rian Johnson portrayed Luke, this was not Luke Skywalker. This was Jake Skywalker (according to Mark Hamill); a no-account bum now living as a hermit, taking no responsibility for his actions. We all hoped he was hiding out for some convoluted reason other than he didn't want to have anything to do with the present situation and he hoped to die on that island. His death was practically meaningless. I'm sure, given Rey's amazing and inexplicable capabilities, they all would've gotten out of there without Jake's help at the end because reasons.

He had nobody to be with at the end. Where was his friends to be with?

There are so many other things, and I could get into the socio-political issues, but I'm sure we have all heard them. The Disney Trilogy was awful, and hopefully is currently being erased by Jon Favreau in his efforts to revitalize Star Wars.

Well said.