The Batman vs Spiderman: No Way Home SPOILER appropriate

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's not a hero's journey where you have to have the origin along with the transformation followed by the triumph.

In a way it's like a sequel done as the first movie.

Well when it comes to both Batman and Spider Man, everyone knows the origin story. There was no need to do it anymore. And they did that with Holland Spider Man and The Batman.

Having a requisite origin and proving moment for the super hero genre overall is pretty redundant.

[Frustration]

There are people who argue that character development arcs, which have been popular in many recent superhero movies, are completely inappropriate for characters meant to be 'iconic'.

Batman and Superman and Spiderman, to cite some obvious examples, arguably aren't supposed to go around being changed by their experiences, but to change the world. Comic book storylines generally represent this, but the people responsible for making movies seem to feel a need to put 'arcs' in them, always.

[Thebestoftherest]

I think that maybe they need to asked if they should have a flat arc.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

There are people who argue that character development arcs, which have been popular in many recent superhero movies, are completely inappropriate for characters meant to be 'iconic'.

Batman and Superman and Spiderman, to cite some obvious examples, arguably aren't supposed to go around being changed by their experiences, but to change the world. Comic book storylines generally represent this, but the people responsible for making movies seem to feel a need to put 'arcs' in them, always.

I think both facets are things that develop and aren't totally fulfilled by tangible narrative elements. And that kind of has proved to be a dilemma without universes or sagas.

[McAvoy]

There are people who argue that character development arcs, which have been popular in many recent superhero movies, are completely inappropriate for characters meant to be 'iconic'.

Batman and Superman and Spiderman, to cite some obvious examples, arguably aren't supposed to go around being changed by their experiences, but to change the world. Comic book storylines generally represent this, but the people responsible for making movies seem to feel a need to put 'arcs' in them, always.

Superman? Yes. Batman? Not sure. Batman in himself has always been a reflection on his villains. Basically Batman could be one of those villians he constantly faces. His story is mainly in Gotham too and you could say that he is making it worse. Or made it worse with him being there making new villians.

I a tually struggle to see how many superheros are supposed to change the world as you say.

[Frustration]

Superman in his simplest form isn't meant to struggle to formulate a basic ethical code - he's meant to be a power fantasy for people who feel ineffective, while also espousing whatever they consider a moral ideal to act as what they understand to be a 'hero', and smashing entities counter to their unexamined beliefs.

More sophisticated forms of Superman struggle with philosophical issues, sometimes. Sometimes.

But mostly Superman is supposed to fight, and overcome, villains.