When did the Purge become realistic intelligent science fiction literature?

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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:10 pm I'm with hammerofglass on this one. We have actual real-life atrocities that are a better match for this than fiction.
I feel that doing so misses that Trump is probably quoting the movie because he is an idiot.

And that if you don't realize how STUPID and media driven the man is, you actually are undermining his danger.

Which is insane but Trump literally is a man who could watch Top Gun 2 and ask why we don't send in the jets to blow up Iran's nukes.
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Nobody700 wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:57 pm The thing is, the Purge was only ever made to be a typical home invasion story with the catch that they can't call the cops and their neighbors don't have a reason to aid them.

As a social commentary, the Purge is... rather weak. The system in and of itself doesn't account for large scale Militia groups, the fact everyone would be armed and ready to gun down anyone they see, and the after and before Purge time. The concept of a Purge could cause TENS OF BILLIONS in damages. Imagine if a single person bombs Hoover Dam, nothing is stopping him. Unless that counts as one of those rare don't attack us spots. The Purge COSTS so much money to the US government and so many lives, it just doesn't make sense why to keep it. At least with TOS with Landru, that was a small community that was letting out people who acted like machines most intense emotions in quick bursts.
Have you seen any of the sequels where all of this is addressed?
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Nobody700 wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:57 pm The thing is, the Purge was only ever made to be a typical home invasion story with the catch that they can't call the cops and their neighbors don't have a reason to aid them.

As a social commentary, the Purge is... rather weak. The system in and of itself doesn't account for large scale Militia groups, the fact everyone would be armed and ready to gun down anyone they see, and the after and before Purge time. The concept of a Purge could cause TENS OF BILLIONS in damages. Imagine if a single person bombs Hoover Dam, nothing is stopping him. Unless that counts as one of those rare don't attack us spots. The Purge COSTS so much money to the US government and so many lives, it just doesn't make sense why to keep it. At least with TOS with Landru, that was a small community that was letting out people who acted like machines most intense emotions in quick bursts.
They have stipulations on what you can and can't do.
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Nobody700 wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 11:57 pm The thing is, the Purge was only ever made to be a typical home invasion story with the catch that they can't call the cops and their neighbors don't have a reason to aid them.

As a social commentary, the Purge is... rather weak. The system in and of itself doesn't account for large scale Militia groups, the fact everyone would be armed and ready to gun down anyone they see, and the after and before Purge time. The concept of a Purge could cause TENS OF BILLIONS in damages. Imagine if a single person bombs Hoover Dam, nothing is stopping him. Unless that counts as one of those rare don't attack us spots. The Purge COSTS so much money to the US government and so many lives, it just doesn't make sense why to keep it. At least with TOS with Landru, that was a small community that was letting out people who acted like machines most intense emotions in quick bursts.
I mean if they have hitmen dress in civilian clothing going around killing people, then why wouldn't they have people like that to conveniently purge anyone that goes somewhere someone in power doesn't go to
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:48 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:19 pm Economic hierarchies more or less are a Marxist doctrine.
I feel that conservatives have attempted to equate all economic observations beyond laissez faire capitalism to Marx as a way to discredit them. Speaking as an anti-communist anarchist, I pretty much reject this dichotomy. One can hate the rich without believing we should all go Soviet.
Well they don't really participate in any economic speculation unless you're talking about fed interest rates ;p. It's consistent with a non-interventionist rhetoric.

And this is how it's always been. Which is why Marx paired with Engels who put everything in a small government mentality.
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clearspira wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 6:18 am In reality, "Purge Day" would be permission for the rich commit an incredible amount of embezzlement, tax fraud, insider trading etc.
So you're saying we already run 365 purge days per year?
CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:48 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:19 pm Economic hierarchies more or less are a Marxist doctrine.
I feel that conservatives have attempted to equate all economic observations beyond laissez faire capitalism to Marx as a way to discredit them. Speaking as an anti-communist anarchist, I pretty much reject this dichotomy. One can hate the rich without believing we should all go Soviet.
Heck, even pro-capitalists can and frequently do recognize that being stupidillions richer than everybody around you, is a huge systematic problem.
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Madner Kami wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 2:05 pm
clearspira wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 6:18 am In reality, "Purge Day" would be permission for the rich commit an incredible amount of embezzlement, tax fraud, insider trading etc.
So you're saying we already run 365 purge days per year?
CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:48 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 7:19 pm Economic hierarchies more or less are a Marxist doctrine.
I feel that conservatives have attempted to equate all economic observations beyond laissez faire capitalism to Marx as a way to discredit them. Speaking as an anti-communist anarchist, I pretty much reject this dichotomy. One can hate the rich without believing we should all go Soviet.
Heck, even pro-capitalists can and frequently do recognize that being stupidillions richer than everybody around you, is a huge systematic problem.
Hard to give a more hard assessment… like lifting a plushy futon, but I personally think that pro-capitalism is a dramatically easy argument. It’s like being pro-“police having some sort of armament” or something. Of course there’s problematic facets, but it gets ridiculous precisely when you argue for an “alternative”
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