The Mirror Universe

[Nobody700]

Starfleet has the massive disadvantage of having to defend a mind-blowing volume of space and not being agressive-minded. Starfleet is always in the position of having to react and can't act unless the war has already started, so they'll always start a war with a retreat and loss of territory.

Exactly. In war they call it mobilization.

But yeah, it does seem like that would be Starfleet's tactics and long term strategy is that they somewhat allow loss of territory and even ships while they gather their ships to form fleets in retaliation.

I have this theory that one of the reasons why in the early days of the Dominion War is that both the Klingons and Starfleet were still gathering their ships from distance reaches of their territories, reactivating and crewing ships, speeding up finishing new ships etc. That and Cardassian territory does seem to feel like it's smaller so the Dominion and Cardassian fleets can be concentrated.

I also do wonder about the 20 year figure. I wonder if it was a small scale war. Like it was half assed at first and then it just esculated over time.

We like to joke about the whole ''only ship in the sector'' thing that Trek has going on as it does get absurd when we are talking about Sector 001, but Star Trek ships are slow. Like, silly slow by sci-fi standards.

The beauty of Voyager is that we actually have a figure on it: 75 years to travel 75,000 light years means that their fastest ships can only manage 1,000 light years per year or 83.3 light years per month if I have my math correct. Meanwhile Stargate is crossing galaxies within days. Of course, it isn't even that clear cut because the Federation's energy sources are incredibly wasteful and cannot sustain maximum warp for any real length of time, so the actual figure is probably something like 500 light years per year.

I kind of think that it was a very bad idea to spell it out to us in such exact terms how fast these ships are. A) Because they are probably contradictory and B) Because they seriously limited their own story potential by restricting themselves to such a small part of the galaxy.

And after 60 years, Star Trek really could do with finally visiting another galaxy. The final frontier has been pushed beyond The Milky Way at this point. Amusing really, given how TOS established that there is life in Andromeda.

The 1000 light years per year figure I always guessed as the average speed Voyager could take. Of course we don't know if that factors stops for exploration and first contact situations and all of the other side missions Voyager does.

I can't recall the figure but Voyager can go Warp 9.975 which is far faster than 1000x speed of light. So we could assume 1k per year is Voyager's crushing speed.

As in a car going 55 MPH for maximum speed/fuel efficiency.

In the case of sending ships from the far distances of Federation territory or further that some ships wouldnt even bother coming back because they would be back way after the war ended.

There is also that fan theory that there are warp highways where you jump on these and they enhance the speed of the ship.

Yeah I always saw the 1,000 lightyears a year as a how fast they can go without damaging the Warp core. If anything happens to you in the Alpha Quadrant, you can call for help and a ship sends for ya. None for Delta, so you have to go as fast as you can without damaging the ship. Now on the fact that their speed increases as they got a better map... I can buy it, given they need to calculate a LOT to not smash into things. Space is BIG... but theirs a lot in space. one single asteroid could smash right through the ship when shields are off.

[Thebestoftherest]

Kinda wish they would use the mirror universe in the new movies, be a way to do piccard but with some creativity freedom.

[McAvoy]

Kinda wish they would use the mirror universe in the new movies, be a way to do piccard but with some creativity freedom.

I think they should just kill the concept forever for Trek. We got enough of it in DS9 already. Certainly didn't need it in Discovery. Definitely had no place in season 1, but that opens up another can worms.

Personally I don't want to see another alternate reality with Trek where Trek goes bad. Been there, got the T-shirt and was forced to buy the trinkets. I am willing to see a What If but that is getting stale now too IMO.

At this point, if future Trek does it they have to do it in a more original way.

[CharlesPhipps]

Kinda wish they would use the mirror universe in the new movies, be a way to do piccard but with some creativity freedom.

I think they should just kill the concept forever for Trek. We got enough of it in DS9 already. Certainly didn't need it in Discovery. Definitely had no place in season 1, but that opens up another can worms.

Personally I don't want to see another alternate reality with Trek where Trek goes bad. Been there, got the T-shirt and was forced to buy the trinkets. I am willing to see a What If but that is getting stale now too IMO.

At this point, if future Trek does it they have to do it in a more original way.

By contrast, I never ever want to see another "what if X happened and things went wrong." If you're going to do a world where there's Evil Sisko or whatever, do a world where it's gloriously ridiculous and they are mustache twirling evil.