A question of remakes

[McAvoy]

Just popped in my head.

Spawn, the live action one.

[CharlesPhipps]

Okay, here's one that always stood out to me, the first half hour of The Killing Joke. Assuming the studio would not give us permission to change the Killing Joker portion of the story which means Barbara is still fridged so despite wanting to change that we can't.

I obviously thought showing Babs getting physical therapy at the end is the perfect add on.

[Winter]

Okay, here's one that always stood out to me, the first half hour of The Killing Joke. Assuming the studio would not give us permission to change the Killing Joker portion of the story which means Barbara is still fridged so despite wanting to change that we can't.

I obviously thought showing Babs getting physical therapy at the end is the perfect add on.

Hm, that seems like it would be better material for a sequel then an add on. I really feel that The Killing Joke's ending should be short, just the laughing between Batman and Joker, credits which show the different origins to Joker throughout the years, post credit scene with Babs where she talks about missing being able to dance. End.

Not against the idea just feel that should be a story in an of itself. Like the 4th season of The Legend of Korra where she needs time to recover and adapt after what was done to her was her main story and a great one.

I would love to see Barbara recovering, becoming Oracle and her changing relationship with Batman (keeping the uncle and niece angle because series NO) Nightwing, Tim, Jason and of course Joker.

[CharlesPhipps]

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I would love to see Barbara recovering, becoming Oracle and her changing relationship with Batman (keeping the uncle and niece angle because series NO) Nightwing, Tim, Jason and of course Joker.

I think in a Killing Joke adaptation, you have to forgo Oracle if you want an upbeat ending that emphasizes that Joker is wrong.

Mind you, Barbara being crippled rather than just being shot and injured was an invention of later writers.

[Winter]

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I would love to see Barbara recovering, becoming Oracle and her changing relationship with Batman (keeping the uncle and niece angle because series NO) Nightwing, Tim, Jason and of course Joker.

I think in a Killing Joke adaptation, you have to forgo Oracle if you want an upbeat ending that emphasizes that Joker is wrong.

Mind you, Barbara being crippled rather than just being shot and injured was an invention of later writers.

Sorry but on the part of Barbara being crippled was in The Killing Joke. When we cut back to Barbara when Batman is checking on her the Doctor confirms that the bullet went through her spine and she won't be able to use her legs again.

As for the ending, I don't see it as anything even remotely upbeat. Barbara is paralyzed, Gordon was tortured and in the end Batman and The Joker realize they're never going to be able to redeem the latter because it is far too late for anyone to help him.

And again I'm assuming the studio would say "No you can't change this" and I'm operating in that mindset. Look I'm seriously trying to get myself into writing for shows, movies and games and trying to make sure I am prepared to be deal with executive meddling, I can't just turn that off.

[CharlesPhipps]

Eh, "may well be in a chair for the rest of her life" is a different breed than will be in comics.

[Madner Kami]

Battle Angel Alita. Not so much needs a remake, but a fucking sequel. It's almost comical by now, that no Alita-series gets beyond the same point within the manga-story, despite being genuinly good in their own respective ways.

Also, Armitage III. Great premise, great moments, great characters and setting. Horrible execution. Still loving it though.

[McAvoy]

Battle Angel Alita. Not so much needs a remake, but a fucking sequel. It's almost comical by now, that no Alita-series gets beyond the same point within the manga-story, despite being genuinly good in their own respective ways.

Also, Armitage III. Great premise, great moments, great characters and setting. Horrible execution. Still loving it though.

I agree with Alita. Great film. Not sure why it didn't make more money. I do know it was used as a comparison to Captain Marvel that came out at the same time. In how you do a great female protagonist.

[Scififan]

The third Nolan Batman movie. Make the next one a Two Face movie. Dark Knight was a good movie but creating Two-Face just to kill him at the end was such a waste. Have the next movie be all about Two-Face killing off all of the mob bosses only to take over the underworld and Batman having to stop him.

[Winter]

Battle Angel Alita. Not so much needs a remake, but a fucking sequel. It's almost comical by now, that no Alita-series gets beyond the same point within the manga-story, despite being genuinly good in their own respective ways.

Also, Armitage III. Great premise, great moments, great characters and setting. Horrible execution. Still loving it though.

I agree with Alita. Great film. Not sure why it didn't make more money. I do know it was used as a comparison to Captain Marvel that came out at the same time. In how you do a great female protagonist.

Poor marketing and her eyes. While they work to the characters benefit now because they make her so unique at the time Alita's eyes triggered uncanny valley and made it impossible for a lot of people to take this film seriously which was not helped by her character being the only one with those eyes while everyone else was real. And the marketing didn't help, with poor trailers that didn't give a good showcase of what the film was about.

Further complicating matters is live-action films based on animated properties generally don't do that well in either box office or general reception by critics and audiences. Keep in mind that this was released at the start of the Disney Live-Action Remake Era and before that we had two different films based on Anime Properties, Speed Racer and Ghost in the Shell, both of which were panned by critics and viewers alike and both bombed at the box office.

And the final nail in the films coffin was several bad faith reviews by people who never even saw the film not as bad as what we've been getting now but still pretty bad, just replace "Woke Trash" with "Hollywood Trash" and you get the general idea. These "reviews" made the film out to be a souless cash grab that was an insult to the original anime classic and while these reviews did get buried by more positive reviews this is what a lot of people saw at first which confirmed their suspensions about the film based on the trailers and the characters uncanny appearance.