Twilight Discussion

[Winter]

I ended up watching the Clone Wars movie several times because I had a patron count "secret shopper" gig. Such a bad impression that I refused to even look at the show until after season 6 was out.

I saw it in the theaters because my girlfriend at the time had a kid sister who was into Star Wars. She also had a crush on Hayden Christianson. I thought it was a good idea at the time. I like Star Wars too. Clone Wars movie? Sounds good to me. Take the sister with us? Brownie points with the girlfriend.

Yeah. I was bored. That movie was the reason why I didn't really watch the series until I think Season 5 came out.

Also, as a note. I did the same exact thing for the first Twlight movie. Man I had to bite my tongue after the movie was over. I had so many critiques of that movie.

I can't believe I'm about to say this but I think the reception of the first Twilight film is overblown on both sides. As a romance film it's not great but it's not terrible, as a teen romance, same thing. As a film in general again same thing. The later films are bad and unbearably creepy but the first film, eh.

That right there is really the biggest problem with the film, it's average.

When I went to see the first film I had heard just about everything about it, that it was either the worst film ever made and also heard that it was an underrated gem. And after watching it my reaction was... that's it?

I'd seen worse and seen better this was just an okay film. It existed for a little bit and then just was over. I liked some of the ideas (like Bella willingly give up her life to save her mother, the werewolf and vampire alliance was at least a decent concept and the romance of Edward and Bella had some interesting ideas) and there was some bad ones too (I would list them but you all already know them by heart at this point).

The later films I get the hate even if it's still a bit overblown. But I never got the general reception to this film or the series as a whole, it was just average and later bad but I've seen worse... I saw Gothika!

[stryke]

Twilight was actually a real wake up call for me, and helped me to grow as a person. Yes, really.

I totally fell into the Twilight hatedom. I was watching a bunch of Channel Awesome at the time and a lot of them leaned into it hard. I'd heard how it was problematic, and bad, and dumb, etc.

Was working with a lady in her late 20s at the time who I really liked and respected, and when I found out she had been reading Twilight I really tore into her for it using all of the usual examples, I was more doing it in the name of office banter than as an attack, or at least I thought I was, and she said something that entirely cut my legs out from under me. I forget exactly what it was, as it's been awhile, but it was something like "Can't you just accept that I enjoy it for what it is anyway?"

Thing is, on thinking about it, I've read stuff that significantly worse that Twilight. Especially when I was a teenager and going to the library every week and reading really trashy horror like Shaun Hutson. There was content in there that was both significantly more objectionable and lower in quality than anything you might find in Twilight, and yet because it wasn't aimed at teenage girls it wasn't collectively clowned on by the internet.

It's a fantasy, something that's ultimately harmless, and just because it's not my personal fantasy that doesn't make it bad. Perhaps we can treat people with more respect for being able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality, and even most teenagers can tell the difference that what might be hot when a sparkly vampire does is not so much if it happened for real. As a wise cartoon pony princess once put it "There is no wrong way to fantasize".

[clearspira]

I ended up watching the Clone Wars movie several times because I had a patron count "secret shopper" gig. Such a bad impression that I refused to even look at the show until after season 6 was out.

I saw it in the theaters because my girlfriend at the time had a kid sister who was into Star Wars. She also had a crush on Hayden Christianson. I thought it was a good idea at the time. I like Star Wars too. Clone Wars movie? Sounds good to me. Take the sister with us? Brownie points with the girlfriend.

Yeah. I was bored. That movie was the reason why I didn't really watch the series until I think Season 5 came out.

Also, as a note. I did the same exact thing for the first Twlight movie. Man I had to bite my tongue after the movie was over. I had so many critiques of that movie.

I can't believe I'm about to say this but I think the reception of the first Twilight film is overblown on both sides. As a romance film it's not great but it's not terrible, as a teen romance, same thing. As a film in general again same thing. The later films are bad and unbearably creepy but the first film, eh.

That right there is really the biggest problem with the film, it's average.

When I went to see the first film I had heard just about everything about it, that it was either the worst film ever made and also heard that it was an underrated gem. And after watching it my reaction was... that's it?

I'd seen worse and seen better this was just an okay film. It existed for a little bit and then just was over. I liked some of the ideas (like Bella willingly give up her life to save her mother, the werewolf and vampire alliance was at least a decent concept and the romance of Edward and Bella had some interesting ideas) and there was some bad ones too (I would list them but you all already know them by heart at this point).

The later films I get the hate even if it's still a bit overblown. But I never got the general reception to this film or the series as a whole, it was just average and later bad but I've seen worse... I saw Gothika!

I agree that it was very much the film that everyone loved to hate but it does have a nasty message to give to young girls and the fact that it was written by a woman and not a man from the 1950s makes it even worse.

The series can be summed up as: Treat your friends and family like shit, dedicate your entire life to an abusive asshole, attempt to commit suicide after he leaves you, dedicate your entire life to that abusive asshole once he comes back to you, essentially marry off your unborn daughter to another man via some nebulous concept called ''imprinting'', live happily ever after.

[Winter]

I ended up watching the Clone Wars movie several times because I had a patron count "secret shopper" gig. Such a bad impression that I refused to even look at the show until after season 6 was out.

I saw it in the theaters because my girlfriend at the time had a kid sister who was into Star Wars. She also had a crush on Hayden Christianson. I thought it was a good idea at the time. I like Star Wars too. Clone Wars movie? Sounds good to me. Take the sister with us? Brownie points with the girlfriend.

Yeah. I was bored. That movie was the reason why I didn't really watch the series until I think Season 5 came out.

Also, as a note. I did the same exact thing for the first Twlight movie. Man I had to bite my tongue after the movie was over. I had so many critiques of that movie.

I can't believe I'm about to say this but I think the reception of the first Twilight film is overblown on both sides. As a romance film it's not great but it's not terrible, as a teen romance, same thing. As a film in general again same thing. The later films are bad and unbearably creepy but the first film, eh.

That right there is really the biggest problem with the film, it's average.

When I went to see the first film I had heard just about everything about it, that it was either the worst film ever made and also heard that it was an underrated gem. And after watching it my reaction was... that's it?

I'd seen worse and seen better this was just an okay film. It existed for a little bit and then just was over. I liked some of the ideas (like Bella willingly give up her life to save her mother, the werewolf and vampire alliance was at least a decent concept and the romance of Edward and Bella had some interesting ideas) and there was some bad ones too (I would list them but you all already know them by heart at this point).

The later films I get the hate even if it's still a bit overblown. But I never got the general reception to this film or the series as a whole, it was just average and later bad but I've seen worse... I saw Gothika!

I agree that it was very much the film that everyone loved to hate but it does have a nasty message to give to young girls and the fact that it was written by a woman and not a man from the 1950s makes it even worse.

The series can be summed up as: Treat your friends and family like shit, dedicate your entire life to an abusive asshole, attempt to commit suicide after he leaves you, dedicate your entire life to that abusive asshole once he comes back to you, essentially marry off your unborn daughter to another man via some nebulous concept called ''imprinting'', live happily ever after.

That's from the later films and books, the first film is what I'm talking about which was just an okay film. Bella just an average Harley Quinn protagonist, Edward is an average HQ love interest, Jacob is a setup for a standard HQ love rival and the story is a box standard Beauty and the Beast story.

JUST in regards to the first film/book there's nothing to make it really stand out. The fact that it became as big as it did is down mainly due to the fact that it got popular and than it became popular to hate on and than the whole thing kinda spiraled out of control.

Twilight is not interesting enough to keep talking about. In 30 years if someone considers making a Twilight reboot or sequel no one will be interested. To contrast, look at Star Wars, this series will be 50 years old come 2027 and we're STILL talking about it despite the series going dark for several years.

Twilight was popular while it was out and basically dropped off the face of the Earth when it was done. The actors have all moved on to other projects and most of them to great success, all of which will be remembered and talked about for years to come.

[hammerofglass]

I briefly got on the Twilight hate train without reading it or watching the movies, just kinda swept up in the moment. Somebody called me out on in real life and it was an intense "what the fuck am I doing" moment. I'm still embarrassed about it all these years later.

Never did get around to actually reading them, probably never will.

[McAvoy]

I ended up watching the Clone Wars movie several times because I had a patron count "secret shopper" gig. Such a bad impression that I refused to even look at the show until after season 6 was out.

I saw it in the theaters because my girlfriend at the time had a kid sister who was into Star Wars. She also had a crush on Hayden Christianson. I thought it was a good idea at the time. I like Star Wars too. Clone Wars movie? Sounds good to me. Take the sister with us? Brownie points with the girlfriend.

Yeah. I was bored. That movie was the reason why I didn't really watch the series until I think Season 5 came out.

Also, as a note. I did the same exact thing for the first Twlight movie. Man I had to bite my tongue after the movie was over. I had so many critiques of that movie.

I can't believe I'm about to say this but I think the reception of the first Twilight film is overblown on both sides. As a romance film it's not great but it's not terrible, as a teen romance, same thing. As a film in general again same thing. The later films are bad and unbearably creepy but the first film, eh.

That right there is really the biggest problem with the film, it's average.

When I went to see the first film I had heard just about everything about it, that it was either the worst film ever made and also heard that it was an underrated gem. And after watching it my reaction was... that's it?

I'd seen worse and seen better this was just an okay film. It existed for a little bit and then just was over. I liked some of the ideas (like Bella willingly give up her life to save her mother, the werewolf and vampire alliance was at least a decent concept and the romance of Edward and Bella had some interesting ideas) and there was some bad ones too (I would list them but you all already know them by heart at this point).

The later films I get the hate even if it's still a bit overblown. But I never got the general reception to this film or the series as a whole, it was just average and later bad but I've seen worse... I saw Gothika!

I actually went in with an open mind because I knew little to nothing about it. All I knew, it was based off a teen romance series with vampires in it. I did get a sense of it prior when I was given the first book to read when I was in the Navy. I think I lasted a chapter before I realized it wasn't for me.

That being said, I saw the movie and had many questions and critiques about it. All of which have been expressed by now, so need to point them out. The only good that came out of it, was that I got laid that night, but it would be up on the air if that would have happened anyway.

I have seen one of the movies plus long scenes and glimpses of it over the years. My ridicule of it still remains the same as thd first movie. With the movies in the rear view mirror as far as social media consciousness, it is old news.

[Winter]

Just for fun here's an old fan comic that I'm going to include on the grounds that I find it hilarious.

[CharlesPhipps]

I love a good Twilight roast as much as the next man but, to be honest, they're not that big of a divergence from most vampire fiction. It's also YOUNG ADULT vampire fiction so I'm not sure what the hell people were expecting. I'm going to be one of those spoilsports who think that if the books hadn't been very popular with young girls and women then they wouldn't have taken nearly as much shit as they had. The books committed the crime of being genre fiction for women and the manosphere reacted as if they were trespassing on sacred property.

As if women hadn't loved sexy vampires since Dracula.

I say this as a guy who writes vampire fiction himself (Straight Outta Fangton).

[TGLS]

There was a meme floating around recently, where somebody Rule 63's Twilight. It really explains the appeal.

[CharlesPhipps]

Yes, very pretty people is part of the appeal.