Star Trek: Discovery - spoilery thoughts?

[Paul Walker]

Except that not being allowed to be "dark and gritty" isn't what made ENT bad, and being "dark and gritty" isn't making STD good.

Is it darker than DS 9?

Yes.

[Karha of Honor]

Except that not being allowed to be "dark and gritty" isn't what made ENT bad, and being "dark and gritty" isn't making STD good.

Is it darker than DS 9?

Yes.

Please elaborate.

[GandALF]

Except that not being allowed to be "dark and gritty" isn't what made ENT bad, and being "dark and gritty" isn't making STD good.

Is it darker than DS 9?

Yes.

Please elaborate.

"darker" isn't the right word. There's no reset button and the status quo shifts often so there's more tension as conflicts aren't always resolved by the end of the episode and they've killed off characters that would be permanent in the other series, but there's no BSG style baby neck snap moments.

[Paul Walker]

Except that not being allowed to be "dark and gritty" isn't what made ENT bad, and being "dark and gritty" isn't making STD good.

Is it darker than DS 9?

Yes.

Please elaborate.

There's a lot of torture.
There's what amounts to cannibalism.
There's terrorism.
There's racism.
There are consequences to actions.
There

[J!!]

With the possible exception of cannibalism, all of those things have featured in Star Trek on numerous occasions. Especially on DS9.

[Asvarduil]

There's a lot of torture.
There's what amounts to cannibalism.
There's terrorism.
There's racism.
There are consequences to actions.

1. TNG has an episode devoted to a realistic depiction of interrogation, which includes psychological torture. Other episodes across the series have examples of physical torture. Point?
2. ...Yeah, you've got a point on this one.
3. Again, across the series there are plenty of cases of terrorism sparking off plots (and entire gambit collisions that can be impressive.) Point?
4. While not present so much in TOS (it's more into sexism), you do see examples of racism in DS9 and ENT. There's arguably some cases in TNG, post Wolf 359. Point?
5. ...Wait WHAT!? Consequences are dark? The heck did you smoke?
6. You left out the hot Klingon-on-Klingon sex. More importantly, how can I forget again!?

[Durandal_1707]

2. ...Yeah, you've got a point on this one.

Agreed, although if you rewatch DS9's "Blood Oath"... that's established canon.

3. Again, across the series there are plenty of cases of terrorism sparking off plots (and entire gambit collisions that can be impressive.) Point?

And in DS9 / Voyager, the terrorists were even sometimes the good guys.

4. While not present so much in TOS (it's more into sexism), you do see examples of racism in DS9 and ENT. There's arguably some cases in TNG, post Wolf 359. Point?

Spock was on the receiving end of quite a bit of racism in TOS, mostly from McCoy, occasionally from Kirk, and most egregiously from that guy in the Romulan submarine episode.

[Darth Wedgius]

There's a lot of torture.
There's what amounts to cannibalism.
There's terrorism.
There's racism.
There are consequences to actions.

1. TNG has an episode devoted to a realistic depiction of interrogation, which includes psychological torture. Other episodes across the series have examples of physical torture. Point?
2. ...Yeah, you've got a point on this one.
3. Again, across the series there are plenty of cases of terrorism sparking off plots (and entire gambit collisions that can be impressive.) Point?
4. While not present so much in TOS (it's more into sexism), you do see examples of racism in DS9 and ENT. There's arguably some cases in TNG, post Wolf 359. Point?
5. ...Wait WHAT!? Consequences are dark? The heck did you smoke?
6. You left out the hot Klingon-on-Klingon sex. More importantly, how can I forget again!?

To be fair, while Star Trek had those previously, except where you noted, it was scattered into 703 episodes. STD has managed to get all those in by episode #15.

[Paul Walker]

There's a lot of torture.
There's what amounts to cannibalism.
There's terrorism.
There's racism.
There are consequences to actions.

1. TNG has an episode devoted to a realistic depiction of interrogation, which includes psychological torture. Other episodes across the series have examples of physical torture. Point?
2. ...Yeah, you've got a point on this one.
3. Again, across the series there are plenty of cases of terrorism sparking off plots (and entire gambit collisions that can be impressive.) Point?
4. While not present so much in TOS (it's more into sexism), you do see examples of racism in DS9 and ENT. There's arguably some cases in TNG, post Wolf 359. Point?
5. ...Wait WHAT!? Consequences are dark? The heck did you smoke?
6. You left out the hot Klingon-on-Klingon sex. More importantly, how can I forget again!?

It is also more graphic in its depictions.

I like Discovery, and am looking forward to the final part of this series.

[PlasmaHam]

Clint freaking Howard just made a cameo in tonight's episode.

Star Trek Discovery, you just made my day