Will The Disney Star War Sequel Trilogy Stand the Test of Time

[Karha of Honor]

Yeah, Snoke is no Yuuzhan Vong.

Wait until we reach the "Force is magic" levels on par with Mickey Mouse that's coming in the near future. Mark my words, it's inevitable.

They got bitchslapped by the Inivisible Hand so there is a chance wew won't.

Yeah, Snoke is no Yuuzhan Vong.

Wait until we reach the "Force is magic" levels on par with Mickey Mouse that's coming in the near future. Mark my words, it's inevitable.

It always was magic though lets be honest. You can cloak what it is using other words, but it is magic in all but name.

Magic that works in a certain way.

You just don't give up, do you?

It's a valid point.

And...



I made it clear what i am to my fellow inmates.

[Nealithi]

In regards to Rey's backstory one thing that bugs me is that it leaves Very little in the for character development. Forget about the implications of Rey's parents being either people of importance or nobodies, in the end how does that effect REY'S character development on a meta level and instead ask the question How will this effect Rey going forward.

There are really only two possible outcomes, either the film sticks to it's guns and her parents really are nobodies or it retcons Last's big reveal and instead goes with Her Parents Are Somebodies angle. Neither option really allows for that much character development or character depth.

If her parents are nobodies then Episode 9 will most likely have to ignore that point meaning we wasted two movies building up a mystery instead of developing her character. If E9 instead decides to go with her parents were someone of importance then it will mostly likely over ride her character arc instead of focusing on her.

I think what should have been done here, and this is Very much just my opinion, is that Rey isn't some nobody from nowhere but instead of asking the question of Who is Rey's parents the question is who is Rey. And we learn everything there is about her when she is confronted by Ren towards the end of Awaken. In the interrogation room things start off pretty much the same as it was in the movie right up until Ren removes his mask, upon seeing him Rey say, rather somberly, "Hello Ben."

And after this we learn that Rey was, in fact, one of Luke's students and that she was also friends with Ren before he fell to the Dark Side. This then explains Everything, why is she so good with a Lightsaber, who is she so strong in the Force and you why she related with Finn and understood his reasons for wanting to run, because she did the same thing.

She did try to protect the school but got scared and ran and went for a place to hide, hence why she was on Jakku, (which in this version is more like the Junkyard planet that Lucas had originally envisioned instead of a Tatooine rip-off). You can keep most of her scenes completely intact with just a few changes in dialogue, all of which are related more to her parents.

And with this change Rey is given much more agency in her story and more of a personal drive as the story forces her to confront the traitor and makes her the one to find Luke all the more important. This would make Rey's story one of personal redemption as she, like Luke, is in a self imposed exile for her cowardness even though she is really the only one blaming herself for this mistake.

This also would allow Ren to be further fleshed out as while Rey blames herself for her cowardness she is the only one willing to call Ren out on his BS. Han, Leia and Luke all blamed Snoke for Ben's downfall but Rey sees it as his fault and that he was always a bit of a twat. This isn't presented as the true answer but rather just how Rey sees it, from her point of view, Ren gave into the Dark Side by his own free will. Whether this is true or not is left up to the viewer to decide but it does give Snoke less critic and also works as set up to Ren killing and usurping Snoke later.

This gives Rey more character depth and makes her journey throughout the films all the more personal for her as she finds that she cannot turn her back on the galaxy again and does what she can to stop the First Order and Ren himself. No one is blaming her for her running away except HERSELF and this means that facing Ren is her facing her personal demons.

Okay reading through all the thread I feel I can put my thoughts in. I really like some of what you say here. From the flash backs Rey was a small child when she was dropped off on Jakku and was told to stay by someone she trusted and assumes were her parents. But she was a student of Luke's and one that had been rescued. Han and Leia accepting her has a point now as they knew her. And know what she survived. She is no longer a mary sue and is actually trained in those techniques but forgot. And Kylo Ren and his ilk wiped out what she cared for is her struggle with the dark side. It would all fit and be great. Right up till all the plot threads were burned in TLJ.

Will this trilogy stand the test of time? I doubt it. Unless either episode IX is a major saving throw. Or the A Star Wars story movies resume and do well.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

The nerve on this one...

Okay reading through all the thread I feel I can put my thoughts in.

You really think it's just that easy?

[Nealithi]

Okay reading through all the thread I feel I can put my thoughts in.

You really think it's just that easy?

To read twelve pages of comments? Yes.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Okay reading through all the thread I feel I can put my thoughts in.

You really think it's just that easy?

To read twelve pages of comments? Yes.

No. To just waltz right in here like you own the joint.

[Nealithi]

Okay reading through all the thread I feel I can put my thoughts in.

You really think it's just that easy?

To read twelve pages of comments? Yes.

No. To just waltz right in here like you own the joint.

Own the joint? Entering a public commentary on a well known film franchise and adding a comment is acting like I own the joint?
Why does your commentary seem hostile? And yet also does not discuss nor debate my points?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Okay reading through all the thread I feel I can put my thoughts in.

You really think it's just that easy?

To read twelve pages of comments? Yes.

No. To just waltz right in here like you own the joint.

Own the joint? Entering a public commentary on a well known film franchise and adding a comment is acting like I own the joint?
Why does your commentary seem hostile? And yet also does not discuss nor debate my points?

A fair point.

edit: I wasn't ever serious btw.

[Nealithi]

A fair point.

edit: I wasn't ever serious btw.

Glad to hear (read?) it.

I would like to continue the discussion on the topic.

[Draco Dracul]

In regards to Rey's backstory one thing that bugs me is that it leaves Very little in the for character development. Forget about the implications of Rey's parents being either people of importance or nobodies, in the end how does that effect REY'S character development on a meta level and instead ask the question How will this effect Rey going forward.

There are really only two possible outcomes, either the film sticks to it's guns and her parents really are nobodies or it retcons Last's big reveal and instead goes with Her Parents Are Somebodies angle. Neither option really allows for that much character development or character depth.

If her parents are nobodies then Episode 9 will most likely have to ignore that point meaning we wasted two movies building up a mystery instead of developing her character. If E9 instead decides to go with her parents were someone of importance then it will mostly likely over ride her character arc instead of focusing on her.

I think what should have been done here, and this is Very much just my opinion, is that Rey isn't some nobody from nowhere but instead of asking the question of Who is Rey's parents the question is who is Rey. And we learn everything there is about her when she is confronted by Ren towards the end of Awaken. In the interrogation room things start off pretty much the same as it was in the movie right up until Ren removes his mask, upon seeing him Rey say, rather somberly, "Hello Ben."

And after this we learn that Rey was, in fact, one of Luke's students and that she was also friends with Ren before he fell to the Dark Side. This then explains Everything, why is she so good with a Lightsaber, who is she so strong in the Force and you why she related with Finn and understood his reasons for wanting to run, because she did the same thing.

She did try to protect the school but got scared and ran and went for a place to hide, hence why she was on Jakku, (which in this version is more like the Junkyard planet that Lucas had originally envisioned instead of a Tatooine rip-off). You can keep most of her scenes completely intact with just a few changes in dialogue, all of which are related more to her parents.

And with this change Rey is given much more agency in her story and more of a personal drive as the story forces her to confront the traitor and makes her the one to find Luke all the more important. This would make Rey's story one of personal redemption as she, like Luke, is in a self imposed exile for her cowardness even though she is really the only one blaming herself for this mistake.

This also would allow Ren to be further fleshed out as while Rey blames herself for her cowardness she is the only one willing to call Ren out on his BS. Han, Leia and Luke all blamed Snoke for Ben's downfall but Rey sees it as his fault and that he was always a bit of a twat. This isn't presented as the true answer but rather just how Rey sees it, from her point of view, Ren gave into the Dark Side by his own free will. Whether this is true or not is left up to the viewer to decide but it does give Snoke less critic and also works as set up to Ren killing and usurping Snoke later.

This gives Rey more character depth and makes her journey throughout the films all the more personal for her as she finds that she cannot turn her back on the galaxy again and does what she can to stop the First Order and Ren himself. No one is blaming her for her running away except HERSELF and this means that facing Ren is her facing her personal demons.

Okay reading through all the thread I feel I can put my thoughts in. I really like some of what you say here. From the flash backs Rey was a small child when she was dropped off on Jakku and was told to stay by someone she trusted and assumes were her parents. But she was a student of Luke's and one that had been rescued. Han and Leia accepting her has a point now as they knew her. And know what she survived. She is no longer a mary sue and is actually trained in those techniques but forgot. And Kylo Ren and his ilk wiped out what she cared for is her struggle with the dark side. It would all fit and be great. Right up till all the plot threads were burned in TLJ.

Will this trilogy stand the test of time? I doubt it. Unless either episode IX is a major saving throw. Or the A Star Wars story movies resume and do well.

I don't think you understand what training in the force is about. It's not about how to do things, it's about finding the correct mind set. While not as explored as it could be, it's clear that a major struggle Luke has is that he's doubtful, and only tries beyond what he thinks is possible is when his backed into a corner. Luke is a doubter, Rey is a believer.

[Winter]

One problem, one of the major points of the Light Side is that it is the way of Hard Work and dedication. This is something that has been beaten into the ground at this point that the Quick and Easy way is the way of the Dark Side and yet Rey is able to achieve feats and use powers that took characters like Luke, Anakin and Mara Jade years to master.

The way of the Force is that it is a power that must be mastered and in most of the best SW stories made it takes years of training and even with two of the great Jedi Masters as his Mentors it still took Luke five years, in universe, to get him to levitate C-3P0 around a room. For me Rey being able to do all she can comes off as lazy writing and is infuriating because the way she gets so powerful is in completely contrast with how the Light Side has worked up to this point.

This actually gets worse once you bring in outside information in both interviews with the filmmakers and the Novelization where it was revealed that the reason Rey is so skilled in combat is that she basically was able to download Kylo Ren's skills back when he was trying to interrogate her in Awakens. In other words her skills are NOT her own but are rather something she took from someone else.

Once again I must bring up Mara in TTT as her skills in that story are ones she earned and took her years to master. How to use a lightsaber and move objects with her mind are all skills she yearned after Years of training. Rey, copied someone else's homework and never had to struggle to get where she is as the writers just keep handing her what she wants.

It's the same issue I had with Mako in TLOK, Mako is praised by everyone he meets, up to and including the villains, is given everything he wants and is able to do things that have never been done before and have never been done since like being able to lightning bend while being bloodbent. And this continued for most of season 2 with the writers insisting that Mako was the one true hero of Republic City and anyone who didn't like him was either a complete jerk or just out right evil.

Asami is a fan favorite character because she had to struggle and Earn everything she got while Mako, for most of the first two seasons, just had to wait a bit and he would get exactly what he wanted without having to earn it.

IMO, both Rey and Mako are creators pets and as such, don't need to earn anything they will just get what they want and as a result it hurts their characters and does little to endear them to many fans. In contrast Mara and Asami are characters the writers love but are more then willing to put through Hell and make them work for what they want and as such it endears them to the fans as well as we want to see them succeed because they allow us to see them as the flawed people they are.

This is just my take on it but for me Rey is no different then Mako and I don't think that she will stand the test of time because in the end she didn't have to work for anything she got while Mara went through Hell just to find people who liked her.