Comeon though! I was hoping for two. Daddy needs a new pair of shoes.technobabbler wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:16 amCould be a season long arc.BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:00 am. Really though in that fashion I'd guess to make it more of a Pandora's box or something, but I'm not sure how it should play out through the series. Could make for an intense last two seasons or something.technobabbler wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:43 am IMO, the Borg are best like locusts or a virus. At Borg Prime they find old archives and Plot Point-MacGuffin that could help end the Borg menace without Piccard's pesky morals.
Specific and general things that Voyager did wrong with the Borg
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..What mirror universe?
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Well thank you Yuka. Albeit headcanon, I think that's a reasonable assertion that I'd take upon myself to entertain.Yukaphile wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:07 am My headcanon is that Hugh coming back broke them. Lore's faction stayed outside the collective while the new "Queen" hierarchy was set up to provide new order, which explains why they got steadily more insane as the years went by. It was also only meant to be ONE Queen (hence her comments in First Contact, "You imply disparity where none exists, I AM the Borg"), but as the Borg kept destabilizing, more Queens popped up like those annoying pop-up ads until the Borg just couldn't take it. In their own way, sending back Hugh did the same kind of damage Admiral Uptight Bitch had wanted. So hooray!
Oh I get it, you're holding on to the macguffin, where I was doing it more straight like a Ghost of Mars thing where they don't quite get what they're getting into yet. I wouldn't make it be a big reveal or anything, I'd probably clue you in early to avert that subsequent reveal in Discovery with the Mirror U.technobabbler wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:16 amCould be a season long arc.BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:00 am. Really though in that fashion I'd guess to make it more of a Pandora's box or something, but I'm not sure how it should play out through the series. Could make for an intense last two seasons or something.technobabbler wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:43 am IMO, the Borg are best like locusts or a virus. At Borg Prime they find old archives and Plot Point-MacGuffin that could help end the Borg menace without Piccard's pesky morals.
One episode: crew finds Pandora's Box. Janeway + staff rehash Piccard's Hugh moral quandry about what are the Borg---vermin or a culture. But this time Psycho Janeway shows Piccard what real ovaries can do.
But....fresh-out-of-the-academy/idealistic Harry Kim grows his Roddenberries and tells Janeway straight up that she is wrong and leads his insurrection. Harry gets Tom Paris and a few sympathetic extras to mutiny to sabotage the MacGuffin. Drama ensues.
Irony: Janeway gets the upper hand, but Borg Queen already patched the security vulnerability 200 years ago and teases Janeway for her efforts and gives Janeway a "Piccard Speech" about the smugness of humans. Womp womp. And both Harry and Janeway get proven right and wrong.
..What mirror universe?
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Doesn't take much to slot into Trek's canon either.
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Re: Specific and general things that Voyager did wrong with the Borg
For me the Borg lost their bite starting with "Dark Frontier", but it was officially sealed with Janeway confidently saying "we've defeated the Borg before, we'll do it again".
Though I hated the idea of bringing them into ENT, I thought it brought back their menace. So in a way I'm glad they got to go out on a higher note than "Endgame", at least as far as the Berman era goes. I'm sure we'll see them again sometime indefinitely in a future show.
Though I hated the idea of bringing them into ENT, I thought it brought back their menace. So in a way I'm glad they got to go out on a higher note than "Endgame", at least as far as the Berman era goes. I'm sure we'll see them again sometime indefinitely in a future show.
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"Regeneration" had drones infecting machines like they were replicators. No. That was a stupid addition to the mythos. Nowhere did Borg have those kind of comic book supervillain abilities during their glory days.
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