Fianna wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 6:58 pm
The Borg were a much larger part of Voyager than the Mirror Universe was for DS9. There weren't any Mirror Universe characters who became part of the DS9 main cast, and the DS9 series finale didn't involve fighting a Mirror Universe enemy.
Well you could probably consider Discovery as part of the Star Trek legacy and somewhat subsequent of DS9, though that is a bit of a stretch for my own consideration of the matter.
Really though, I was actually trying to stipulate that at the top of the thread.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
A perfect blend between serialized and episodic, dark and gritty, yet bright and fun, with likable characters, a compelling war message that doesn't try to shove an agenda in there past (war is hell, people are still people, and there's good and evil even in the bleakest of times), and still being engaging sci-fi with excellent world-building, like the Cardassians and their Nazi/Soviet-like civilization as a metaphor for the dangers of Fascism, Authoritarianism, and state oppression without being ham-fisted and obvious, while being subtle, and remaining consistent to the previous lore as well as to its own continuity. Yeah, sorry, DS9 takes it hands down.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
I can see the comparison, but DS9's MU episodes are maybe more comparable to TNG's Q or holodeck episodes. The MU was DS9's annual chance to do something crazy with the characters (or more accurately, their MU counterparts) without screwing up the larger story arcs or character continuity.
The Borg, on the other hand, were Voyager's go-to villains in the "big" episodes, be they cliffhangers or high budget two-parters.
Even though there were missteps with the Borg, I do have to say that I prefer their usage in Voyager to DS9's usage of the MU. To me, the MU episodes were pretty self-indulgent, mostly average, and I overall would have preferred seeing a typical episode with the regular DS9 crew.
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 4:19 pm
I like the first confirmed gay ship. That's probably one thing.
Ships don't have sexual preferences.
Not even 8472 or the changeling Odo comes into contact with in season 7?
ChiggyvonRichthofen wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 8:42 pmEven though there were missteps with the Borg, I do have to say that I prefer their usage in Voyager to DS9's usage of the MU. To me, the MU episodes were pretty self-indulgent, mostly average, and I overall would have preferred seeing a typical episode with the regular DS9 crew.
Damn that's a hot take of yours if I do say so myself. And that's what my threads are all about, hot takes.
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 4:19 pm
I like the first confirmed gay ship. That's probably one thing.
Ships don't have sexual preferences.
I suppose there's a spectrum between inanimate ship and sapient creature which is inhabited by others while it travels through space. For most conversations in Trek, the former is assumed.
Obviously Farscape and Andromeda take a different baseline.
I just realized that I haven't talked about DS9's MU episodes at all but then again there is good reason for that. I never cared about any of MU episodes in any ST series beyond one from TOS so those never made impression to me and I tend to have forgotten those except for ones that Chuck has already reviewed.
"In the embrace of the great Nurgle, I am no longer afraid, for with His pestilential favour I have become that which I once most feared: Death.."
- Kulvain Hestarius of the Death Guard
Mecha82 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:46 am
I just realized that I haven't talked about DS9's MU episodes at all but then again there is good reason for that. I never cared about any of MU episodes in any ST series beyond one from TOS so those never made impression to me and I tend to have forgotten those except for ones that Chuck has already reviewed.
Personally I don't think that's a very good reason. Just saying.
