Which moment, for you, broke the Star Trek lore/continuity?

[Yukaphile]

Just what it says on the tin. At what moment, for you, do you think the franchise just flew out of control in terms of continuity and never recovered? It's harder for me to choose between Voyager and Enterprise, but that's the thing. Voyager DID show a consistent and frankly far more interesting Alpha Quadrant the brief times we went back there (like "Pathfinder"), while Enterprise was consistently breaking the lore, shattering continuity, so that in the end, too many people left before it could fix them. I think I'd finally say Enterprise, since Voyager's continuity problems were small scale (affecting only the ship, very sadly) and another quadrant away.

[technobabbler]

The premiere of Enterprise. The Klingon Homeworld is only 5? days from Earth via warp 5.

Berman!!!!!! using VOY, 70,000 light years takes 70 years. so about 3 light-years per day in VOY era. So that means at the farthest, Q'Onos is 15 light years away. Astronomers have charted every star within that distance for a long time.

And also the premiere/Klingon first contact was totally not like anything I imagined----as Picard had that line in the episode "First Contact" about the messed up Klington-Federation first encounter.

...which kinda sounded a lot like the Earth-Minbari first encounter from Babylon 5.

And the Vulcans already knew everything about the Klingons but chose not to tell humans-----huh? that plot point made no sense.

Also in hindsight, building a warp 1 spaceship out of a derelict missile silo in the middle of a refugee camp makes no sense.

[McAvoy]

Enterprise is one big continuity error for Trek. That's at least for the Primeverse.

Abrams Trek is what truly broke it. We got a in universe explanation for it. But the three movies just totally break Trek where we got now Discovery.

Picard remains to be seen.

[Beastro]

Canon and Trek I find a funny thing, because there's so much of TOS that... isn't bad, but simply could not fly in the world built up around it since then.

Take Enterprise discovering the Greek gods and finding them to be alien entities. It works for how TOS went as a simple episode, but as a part of canon it's silly given the HUGE repercussions that would come from that in fields like anthropology and such that simply aren't mentioned in Trek afterwards.

So much of Trek around TOS seems to be an unspoken consensus of what is canon and what isn't, where Khan, the Eugenic Wars and other bits are accepted, but the silly highly 60s crap with stories that totally turn things upside down are things rightfully ignored.

But it's funny, because that isn't how Trek has been treated since at least TNG and both the good and bad are taken with the latter spoiling the world building in ways TOS' crap never did.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I'm surprised nobody brought up The Animated Series.

[Beastro]

I'm surprised nobody brought up The Animated Series.

Some stuff from it is considered canon, but it's so distant and little known compared to the rest of Trek it's stuff are mere footnotes with much of it thrown in the bin with the silliness of TOS.

[Zargon]

TNG: when they made the Borg "Human" and not just pure evil machines....made worse in VOY and First Contact.

Any Time Travel story: we see it plenty of times in Star Trek: The Butterfly Effect. Someone travels in time and obliterates the Federation. So...why does a bad guy not do it?

ENT: did mess up a lot of history for the first couple years.

[clearspira]

Female Pon Farr is the biggest one for me. It exists just to show Jolene Blalock in her skimpies (I always try and imagine what it must have been like for her in the studio that day, panting and unleashing two-bit porn star dialogue when surrounded by twenty men).
''Ah, but Clearspira, it was never actually stated that females do not undergo Pon Farr.'' Bullshit! That is not what any dialogue in ''Amok Time'' or ''A Search For Spock'' implies. And realistically, it makes no sense that both sexes would undergo heat. That's not how it works.

[clearspira]

Canon and Trek I find a funny thing, because there's so much of TOS that... isn't bad, but simply could not fly in the world built up around it since then.

Take Enterprise discovering the Greek gods and finding them to be alien entities. It works for how TOS went as a simple episode, but as a part of canon it's silly given the HUGE repercussions that would come from that in fields like anthropology and such that simply aren't mentioned in Trek afterwards.

So much of Trek around TOS seems to be an unspoken consensus of what is canon and what isn't, where Khan, the Eugenic Wars and other bits are accepted, but the silly highly 60s crap with stories that totally turn things upside down are things rightfully ignored.

But it's funny, because that isn't how Trek has been treated since at least TNG and both the good and bad are taken with the latter spoiling the world building in ways TOS' crap never did.

Why can't the Greek gods be aliens? Stargate did much worse than that.

The Trekverse stopped being ''our'' universe the moment we hit the 1970s and Starling replaced Microsoft. Or if you want to ignore ''Voyager'', the 1990s when we had the Augment wars and were sending off interstellar DY-100 sleeper ships and had cryogenic satellites in orbit. It certainly isn't our world now considering we have an exact date for the Sanctuary Districts and WW3 (this decade if you're interested). So what if they change things so that it no longer fits with ''our'' history?

[Simplicius]

There are some pretty egregious episodes like Threshold and The Q and the Gray for what a horrific mess they make of the lore/continuity of the show but they're fairly isolated as, indeed, Star Trek: Voyager was in general.

If I thought the new writers had even watched Star Trek: Enterprise, I might blame the latter for the modern obsession with violent/mean/arrogant Vulcans but I think it's just something about a "logical" race that hacks can't resist turning them into pricks, since they tend to hate logic.

Enterprise, in general, is a cavalcade of continuity screw-ups ... but that's really in the nature of prequels. Unless you have a compelling story to tell, don't write prequels. A lot of Discovery's problems stem for just being a prequel as well, although some of them are conscious decisions to upset the fans (like the Klingon re-design). So, if I was in a mood, I'd say The Vulcan Hello was what "broke" continuity beyond repair.

The point "beyond repair" is important to me. Whereas Star Trek: Enterprise tried to make up for its offences by coming with solutions, Star Trek: Discovery just quietly softened the worst elements, with no explanation, because the creators aren't in the business of continuity; they don't care about it at all. As said I've before, the "Prime" timeline is a marketing gimmick, it has nothing to do with adhering to continuity.