The Plot of Picard (Spoilers)

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Data was always special case so what he did with B4 was pointless. B4 coukd never replace Data and Data should had taken over as dominating personlity for it to be work. Something he would had never done as it's against who he was as person. Because that's what Data had become thanks to all his experiences, person.
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Zargon wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:39 pm There are a lot of problems with the plot and story of the show. The basic problem is the show is being made by a bunch of hate filled bias political zealots that are trying to push their one sided agenda....and that is on top of the fact that they dislike and hate Sci Fi and Star Trek.
In my experience, those who go around accusing others of some malevolent agenda, are usually the ones with the agenda.
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Or yeah they don't really understand how establishment operates.
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The writing of this show is so lazy. It feels like this show was written 30 years ago back when most people didn't know much about computers or artificial intelligence. But audiences are so much more savvy today. There have been decades of very popular sci-fi shows, movies, games, books, etc. that have dealt with these same themes. These ideas are pretty common in pop culture now.

They didn't need to make all the ideas so basic and all the philosophy and morality so black and white. They didn't need to make something as simple as, "synths did bad, Starfleet bans all synths." They could have been more sophisticated and deal with the AI/syths issue on a deeper level. They can delve into things like the emergent properties of consciousness. Starfleet should be smart enough to know how much grey area there is with concepts like sapience and free will. There should have been a lot of debate over the issue instead of just having a blanket synth ban, which isn't even fleshed out that well since holograms are still allowed.
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It's pretty much trope that in fiction AI is just human without certain things like emotions. This is because it's often difficult to make realistic AI interesting so those tend to need to be close to human instead of thinking in zeros and ones.
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They should have gotten Ron Moore back. He would have done a much better job developing these ideas. For all its flaws, BSG did so many things right. That speech from Cavill about how much he hated being human is one of my favorites.

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MrL1992 wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:20 pm
Zargon wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:39 pm There are a lot of problems with the plot and story of the show. The basic problem is the show is being made by a bunch of hate filled bias political zealots that are trying to push their one sided agenda....and that is on top of the fact that they dislike and hate Sci Fi and Star Trek.
In my experience, those who go around accusing others of some malevolent agenda, are usually the ones with the agenda.
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I'm only going to be constructive in my criticisms for this show. The pacing is all over the place.

A lot of the characters are not very well developed and Raffi lost her purpose on the crew the moment they reached Free Cloud, which sounds more like a VPN you'd call your cyberpunk city.

Jurati's relationship with Rios is really rushed and forced. She just killed someone she cared about not 5 minutes ago and now is kissing up to Rios, who is so dumb to connect the dots thought Raffi was the spy. The episode after Jurati tried to get the tracking implant out of her, I felt like the show is missing 10 minutes of the crew finding that out and we get a huge exposition dump on us. In fact, there's a LOT of needless exposition dump throughout the sound.


Riker and Troi's son dying of a new made up illness that's linked with the synth banned is not only contrived but forced drama. Was it too much that Riker and Troi are living happily? I get the feeling that the show runners did not want either of them on active duty because Piker would go straight to him for help. That's also why Riker is not an admiral in this show. He would have helped Picard at the first chance.

From the start, we're supposed to believe that Picard didn't keep in touch with any of his old crew for over 14 years? That he has no more friends or allies in Starfleet after he resigned?

Raffi getting axed right after Picard resigned was also very forced to add to the drama. They never explained why she is no longer in Starfleet and I don't know a single person who liked the whole "J L" nickname. No one has ever called Picard a pet name like that. Raffi could not have served under Picard long enough to warrant such closeness to him. At most she would call him Jean-Luc like a lot of his close friends, but it's not earned. It isn't like she called him that in the Countdown Comics, which is where they pulled her character from but it's no longer canon.


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