King Shark used to top Constantine

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Re: King Shark used to top Constantine

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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 4:11 am Also Penguin is literally the scheming rich aristocrat villain with a long pointy nose whose shtick is being rich and corrupt. You don't...see anything dodgy about that?
If you check out Penguin's origins (Detective Comics, #58, just checked) he was a pretty standard mobster, not an aristocrat. He starts out by stealing a bunch of paintings, using that heist to get in good with a mob boss, and then graduates to planning all of the mob bosses' heists. He then shoots and kills the mob boss and takes over (of course). More to the point one of the people who worked on the comic was Henry Boltinoff, who was Jewish.

It's not that widely known, but early superhero comic books were heavily written, illustrated, and edited by Jewish people (especially at DC). A business that popped up in New York City (which has always had a large Jewish population) Jewish people found a lot of employ in the comic book industry. A lot of it was friends and family asking friends and family type of stuff. For instance, one of DC's editors was Murray Boltinoff.

So no, I actually don't see anything dodgy about that. It actually seems like a classic Dick Tracy villain design, he loved bizarre-looking mobsters, and no little Dick Tracy influence would slide into Detective Comics now and then. The entirity of Detective Comics #58 seems like an extremely Dick Tracy-type storyline (a strip which became immensely popular almost immediately) to the point where you could be entirely forgiven for thinking that Detective Dick Tracy was about to bust down the door and shoot Penguin, rather than have Batman and Robin capture him.
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Re: King Shark used to top Constantine

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It IS a pretty widely known fact, and art is informed by its context. Even if he wasn't an aristocrat in his original conception, it's become a burned-in part of his mythology now, and making the pointy-nosed rich aristocratic greedy bastard explicitly Jewish does not settle well into the here and now.
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Re: King Shark used to top Constantine

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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 4:11 am Also Penguin is literally the scheming rich aristocrat villain with a long pointy nose whose shtick is being rich and corrupt. You don't...see anything dodgy about that?
okay, so confession, I read shortly after posting that it is about Sy,

but no I don't get a vibe about Penguin in general (or in the show). Now, it's one of his things that he acquires literally anything he wants, but as a gangster or just really rich person. It's never about how he makes the deal, him besting people over it. Like it's not like a house business or anything.

In fact, it was Arthur Chu's twitter where I saw him retweet someone saying that penguin in the show was stereotyping because of the Bar Mitzvah, and I wasn't sure if that particularly was a joke or not just to riff on the accusations of cancel culture.

If it's the landlord though honestly I haven't thought about it (and I'm not inclined to opine on it). After reading about it like I said at the top, I do see that the writers seem to have a more innocuous take on it.
..What mirror universe?
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