Is Disney finally ditching WOKE politics?

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

And he was cast in part because he was black because they wanted to make a black captain for all the reasons shown in the "Benny" episodes.

The funniest thing I ever read was people asking, unironically, when Star Trek had gotten so "social justice-y"

They were quite some way in to the run. At first, and for quite a while, Sisko was just the guy in charge of DS9. Maybe it was less the case in the USA, and it was never 100% irrelevant here either, but there was a time where people gave rather less of a crap about what colour someone's skin was

no there wasn't

[CharlesPhipps]

They were quite some way in to the run. At first, and for quite a while, Sisko was just the guy in charge of DS9. Maybe it was less the case in the USA, and it was never 100% irrelevant here either, but there was a time where people gave rather less of a crap about what colour someone's skin was, so there was less suspicion about there being any more motive for casting other than "that actor's right for the part."

It's sad you think it's something to be ashamed of rather than celebrated. Sisko was right for the part because he was a black man and showed the future had overcome issues that trouble us to this day. Those who don't see color don't see people.

[GreyICE]

They were quite some way in to the run. At first, and for quite a while, Sisko was just the guy in charge of DS9. Maybe it was less the case in the USA, and it was never 100% irrelevant here either, but there was a time where people gave rather less of a crap about what colour someone's skin was, so there was less suspicion about there being any more motive for casting other than "that actor's right for the part." No messages, no "Look how progressive we are!", no more interested in skin colour than eye colour. Which is how it would be in the Trek universe anyway.

You know, I think I'm going to take the words of Rick Berman as a tad bit more authoritative than whatever this drivel is.

[Artabax]

They were quite some way in to the run. At first, and for quite a while, Sisko was just the guy in charge of DS9. Maybe it was less the case in the USA, and it was never 100% irrelevant here either, but there was a time where people gave rather less of a crap about what colour someone's skin was, so there was less suspicion about there being any more motive for casting other than "that actor's right for the part."

It's sad you think it's something to be ashamed of rather than celebrated. Sisko was right for the part because he was a black man and showed the future had overcome issues that trouble us to this day. Those who don't see color don't see people.

Sisko was a Captain because he was good at Captaining.
Marin luther King dreamed of a man being judged by the quality of his Character, NOT by the Colour of his skin.
SJW insist that Colour of Skin is the ONLY way to judge people.

[Makeshift Python]

MLK also was okay with property destruction, but you won't hear that from white people that like to only cherry pick his quotes for a very sanitized account for how the civil rights protests went back in the day.

No, apparently racism has gotten WORSE.

[Riedquat]

They were quite some way in to the run. At first, and for quite a while, Sisko was just the guy in charge of DS9. Maybe it was less the case in the USA, and it was never 100% irrelevant here either, but there was a time where people gave rather less of a crap about what colour someone's skin was, so there was less suspicion about there being any more motive for casting other than "that actor's right for the part."

It's sad you think it's something to be ashamed of rather than celebrated. Sisko was right for the part because he was a black man and showed the future had overcome issues that trouble us to this day. Those who don't see color don't see people.

Those who don't see colour don't see people? What a load of devisive drivel, real "them and us" stuff that keeps bad feelings going. No, I see past the petty physical differences. There really is no need to pay more attention to skin colour than hair or eye colour, and it's very sad that some people aren't capable of it.

Take another example, and also consider the time it was first made - do you think both Lister and the Cat in Red Dwarf were cast intending to show attitudes of the future, or was it simply not at all relevant? I don't recall race being an issue in any RD episode off the top of my head (although it's a hard subject to deal with in a comedy admittedly). Why were they cast? Simply because they were the right actors for the job. It's beyond me how anyone could see that as a negative, that race probably wasn't even part of the eqution, and see that as where we want to be. Even more so when the subject's Trek and that's where the Federation almost certainly is. But nope, some people still insist on trying to keep them and us going.

[CharlesPhipps]

For some it is a petty physical difference.

For others it is a major part of their heritage, family, and upbringing.

The Benny episodes of STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE are about the importance of a black captain because it says that eventually a man will be able to reach that point. That there will be a black man in space in a command position and it won't be weird. It's the same effect Obama had for so many people and it's something that frightened a lot of people.

[Riedquat]

For some it is a petty physical difference.

For others it is a major part of their heritage, family, and upbringing.

Sad, isn't it? Their cultural background is all that, sure. And unfortunately attitudes will have included the colour of their skin in it as part of that picture. Unfortunate if they still let that define them rather than the cultural aspect.

[Riedquat]

For some it is a petty physical difference.

For others it is a major part of their heritage, family, and upbringing.

The Benny episodes of STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE are about the importance of a black captain because it says that eventually a man will be able to reach that point. That there will be a black man in space in a command position and it won't be weird. It's the same effect Obama had for so many people and it's something that frightened a lot of people.

Like I said earlier maybe it's coming from a different perspective, not being from the USA. Although the UK is hardly free of racism from what I recall when DS9 first aired his colour really wasn't an issue, it was just "ah, he's the new commander". If you're going to do a time travel episode like that then if the time is appropriate then it'll come up - that seemed more a reflection on the past than anything about the future. But what do you think the rest of the crew of DS9 thought about his race, in-universe? Absolutely nothing, any more than any other physical characteristic. Why so keen to move away from rather than towards that?

We've never had a black Prime Minister. I don't think it's a sign of progress that if we did now then it would probably draw more comment than it would've twenty years ago, although to be fair race doesn't seem to have been an issue when it comes to MPs (for most people, you'll always get some).

If the first thing you see of someone is their skin colour then you're still stuck with the attitudes of the past that caused so much suffering and injustive.

[Riedquat]

And he was cast in part because he was black because they wanted to make a black captain for all the reasons shown in the "Benny" episodes.

The funniest thing I ever read was people asking, unironically, when Star Trek had gotten so "social justice-y"

They were quite some way in to the run. At first, and for quite a while, Sisko was just the guy in charge of DS9. Maybe it was less the case in the USA, and it was never 100% irrelevant here either, but there was a time where people gave rather less of a crap about what colour someone's skin was

no there wasn't

Wrong.