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Deledrius wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 9:30 pm I doubt it. There's still nothing in these shows to appeal to a wider audience, no matter how much they try to piss off the fans of the franchise to do it. That's what you need to achieve that sort of recognition. Meanwhile, so much of the advertising on the official FB page and twitter feeds, as well as the "official" fansites, is constantly pushing the bad fanwank and "easter eggs" nonsense that is going to push away non-fans who might see it. As a fan, the sickening amount of pandering in that sort of junk pushes me away, too.

I really don't think anyone at CBS has a clue what they're doing with this franchise aside from hoping something sticks. Maybe they'll find it, but right now, I doubt any of this is going to be more than a footnote in the franchise.
Yes, they need to focus on telling a good story, and that seems beyond them. Politics isn't the only issue present here. It's that we're in the time of a late-stage society, where CGI and excessive corporate business practices have smothered creativity, plus their slavery to the nostalgia market.

Really, that's only going to get worse with time, as the era the nostalgia market has hit has been perfectly preserved, and this could lead to the death of the monoculture.
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Thebestoftherest wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:21 am Frankly I'm surprised there aren't talks of a TNG remake.
I think a nuTNG was something that would have been considered, but now with PICARD featuring Stewart it would be kind of awkward. Spock never featured in the first season of DISCO because there was a thing between Bad Robot and CBS not wanting to step on each other's toes, but by the second season a nuTrek film was less likely and so it seemed okay to feature Spock in DISCO.

Ultimately, those Kelvin films just didn't make enough money to justify making anymore Trek films. Whatever a new film will be will have to considerably lower in budget, which means it can't be the kind of blockbuster films Paramount hoped they would turn Trek into.
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It would have help if they had better writers.
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Given that TNG was the focal point to TOS, DS9, and then VOY as well as later installments and where we are now, plus with how much MSA (mainstream appeal, as I call) TNG had, I can't help but feel even tone-deaf suits know it would be business suicide.
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Thebestoftherest wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:16 pm It would have help if they had better writers.
They did with BEYOND as far as I'm concerned, but that didn't help. I don't think Trek, no matter how brilliantly made, could ever join the billion dollar club like other franchise. It simply doesn't have the worldwide appeal of Marvel, Star Wars, James Bond, and Fast & Furious. That's why sticking as a TV franchise gives it a better chance to flourish.
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Makeshift Python wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:14 pm
Thebestoftherest wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:16 pm It would have help if they had better writers.
They did with BEYOND as far as I'm concerned, but that didn't help. I don't think Trek, no matter how brilliantly made, could ever join the billion dollar club like other franchise. It simply doesn't have the worldwide appeal of Marvel, Star Wars, James Bond, and Fast & Furious. That's why sticking as a TV franchise gives it a better chance to flourish.
Exactly, for example The Wrath of Khan (which is considered the gold standard of Star Trek films) only made $95,800,000 worldwide, Star Trek (2009) is the highest grossing film of the franchise and made $386,839,614 worldwide, while for the Star Wars franchise the highest grossing film is The Force Awakens with $2,065,478,084 worldwide, with the lowest being The Clone Wars with $68,695,443 worldwide.

But the icing on the cake is that Solo: A Star Wars Story made $393,151,347 worldwide, so what many people say was a failure for Star Wars made slightly more money worldwide that what was a success for Star Trek.

By the way I got these numbers from www.the-numbers.com
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Makeshift Python wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:14 pm
Thebestoftherest wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:16 pm It would have help if they had better writers.
They did with BEYOND as far as I'm concerned, but that didn't help. I don't think Trek, no matter how brilliantly made, could ever join the billion dollar club like other franchise. It simply doesn't have the worldwide appeal of Marvel, Star Wars, James Bond, and Fast & Furious. That's why sticking as a TV franchise gives it a better chance to flourish.
I tend to think TV is getting hit with the same vibes. For SW, The Mandalorian is... okay, which is a good achievement for its first season, yet there are still a few issues I think could be a major problem, plus all the rumors we hear that, to my money, could further drag down the show due to corporate excesses.

TV franchises in today's age could work, but the issue insofar as I see is, where are the actual writers? And not the corporate mouthpieces? It seems that any original TV show is the way to go. For longer-running franchises, except no hope here. Plus all the same problems with movies, just on a much smaller scale.
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Is there much really memorable about Beyond's story or drama? A lot of people boast this or that about a movie's integrity, but I feel like Beyond's strengths are kind of just a checklist.
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Makeshift Python wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:14 pm They did with BEYOND as far as I'm concerned, but that didn't help. I don't think Trek, no matter how brilliantly made, could ever join the billion dollar club like other franchise. It simply doesn't have the worldwide appeal of Marvel, Star Wars, James Bond, and Fast & Furious. That's why sticking as a TV franchise gives it a better chance to flourish.
I think it could.

A lot of that worldwide appeal is that "simple kid inside everyone" appeal where people just want to see "pew pew and be happy". It's an easy way to make money. Plus you can make pure crap, and put a label on it like "Star Wars" and billions will fall over to watch it.

But it's not the only way to make money.

A movie with a good plot and story has a better then good chance of making a ton of money, plus adding good acting and drama and risks. James Camerons Titanic stands alone in all the ''kiddy movies", as the lone adult drama.

Star Trek COULD take that spot: ADULT DRAMA and not "pew pew silly kidz crap". It's not how much cgi spam you can throw up on a screen, it's about a lot of other things.
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