Did Disney change the Jedi rules about sex?

[GandALF]

I also disagree with the assumption that "sex=impure", though I know a lot of people, perhaps particularly (in the Western world) Americans, feel differently.

Asceticism shows up in some way in just about every culture. You can't get a civilization going if people don't control their urges.

[The Romulan Republic]

I also disagree with the assumption that "sex=impure", though I know a lot of people, perhaps particularly (in the Western world) Americans, feel differently.

Asceticism shows up in some way in just about every culture. You can't get a civilization going if people don't control their urges.

That's certainly true, but their are reasonable limits, and their comes a point where you are asking people to deny their humanity, which is only going to lead to psychologically damaged people and lots of hidden relationships (with potential for blackmail, corruption, conflict of interest, etc.).

[Karha of Honor]

I also disagree with the assumption that "sex=impure", though I know a lot of people, perhaps particularly (in the Western world) Americans, feel differently.

Asceticism shows up in some way in just about every culture. You can't get a civilization going if people don't control their urges.

I don't know. If most people cannot be trusted not to kill you it might be more necessary than in the current time.

[LittleRaven]

Again: Anakin/Vader and Lando. Vader was evil, but not really puppy-kicking evil. More like cold, methodical, ends-justify-the-means evil. And Lando's conflicted loyalties in Episode V are neither clear good nor evil.

Well, Lando's a hero, not a villain, so I'm not sure why we're talking about him here. And Vader routinely kills officers whom he perceives as failing him, randomly screws over his supposed 'partners' whenever it suits him, and of course murdered dozens of small children in cold blood. And he's the reasonable bad guy in this setting! Tarkin and the Emperor had no qualms about wiping out BILLIONS of people in order to make a point. These guys make Hitler look like Robbie Rotton.

Except Anakin. And Leia (if you count her as a Jedi). And God knows how many EU examples.

And Anakin went wrong. The one Jedi who blatantly gives into his sexual urges is also the one that turns into a psychopath and leads to god only knows how many deaths. I don't think that's a coincidence. Every 'good' Jedi in the movies is completely free of romantic attachment. Even Luke, the hero, ends movie 6 without so much as a girlfriend. That's also intentional. Sex + Jedi is a recipe for bad things.

I also disagree with the assumption that "sex=impure", though I know a lot of people, perhaps particularly (in the Western world) Americans, feel differently.

And Lucas is very American.

Well, I suppose there's no way to know how the books will end yet, but the show definitely seems to be going for a "good guys win" ending. Its just a rougher road, and the "good guys" get their hands dirtier, along the way.

But the 'good guys win' by putting together bigger, badder armies than the bad guys. And of course burning alive any man who will not 'bend the knee.'

Remember, the GOOD GUYS burn people alive en masse in Martin's world! That's not cynical?

[The Romulan Republic]

Well, Lando's a hero, not a villain, so I'm not sure why we're talking about him here.

Because he's yet another example of a Star Wars character in high-level canon who is not purely good or bad. He's a gambler, implied (and confirmed elsewhere) to be a criminal-turned-legitimate businessman, and a traitor to his friend- but a traitor with highly sympathetic reasons, who ultimately ends up choosing the right side.

And Vader routinely kills officers whom he perceives as failing him, randomly screws over his supposed 'partners' whenever it suits him, and of course murdered dozens of small children in cold blood. And he's the reasonable bad guy in this setting!

Yet still capable of redemption.

I'd say pre-Vader Anakin is a better example of a character who is not clearly good or evil, however.

Tarkin and the Emperor had no qualms about wiping out BILLIONS of people in order to make a point. These guys make Hitler look like Robbie Rotton.

Well, I didn't say that their were no completely evil people in Star Wars, did I? Tarkin and Palpatine have basically no redeeming qualities of note.

And Anakin went wrong.

Yes, though I don't think that that was portrayed as a foregone conclusion from the start (even though the existence of the OT meant that out of universe, it kind of was).

Though as I believe I previously said, the films give an impression that while people aren't necessarily all good or all bad, their comes a point where you have to eventually choose a side.

The one Jedi who blatantly gives into his sexual urges is also the one that turns into a psychopath and leads to god only knows how many deaths. I don't think that's a coincidence. Every 'good' Jedi in the movies is completely free of romantic attachment. Even Luke, the hero, ends movie 6 without so much as a girlfriend. That's also intentional. Sex + Jedi is a recipe for bad things.

Yeah, but it wasn't having sex, or even being married, that turned him bad by itself.

And Leia is a Force user who ends the OT with a) a promise of being trained by Luke, and b), kissing Han. Who she later had a child with. Now, maybe she never trained as a Jedi after all (and won't I be pissed if that turns out to be the case). But she sure isn't evil in Episode VII, at least to all appearances.

I also think that its very likely that Luke is going to turn out to have a daughter shortly, though I could be wrong.

And Lucas is very American.

True enough.

But the 'good guys win' by putting together bigger, badder armies than the bad guys. And of course burning alive any man who will not 'bend the knee.'

And also through their willingness to look past petty self-interest and work with others (this seems to be a recurring theme with Jon in particular).

"Power is all that matters" is as simplistic and false a reading of Game of Thrones as "Honour is all that matters" would be, in my opinion. Its the interpretation of Littlefinger, who is one of the most unambiguously villainous (human) characters in the series.

Remember, the GOOD GUYS burn people alive en masse in Martin's world! That's not cynical?

Sure, but it doesn't change the fact that "military power is all that matters" is a simplistic interpretation of the series.

And, to be fair, the good guys kill a lot of people in Star Wars. Not so many civilians, and not as brutally as some of the killings in GoT (though Obi-wan did leave his former "brother" Anakin, with three limbs severed, to burn to death alone on a volcanic planet, which is as horrible a way to kill someone as anything in GoT), but Luke blew up probably millions of men and women as a fighter pilot. Literally millions. Ditto Poe's fighter squadron at Starkiller Base. Daenerys has a long way to go to match their kill counts for shear volume, if not for brutality.

Both GoT and Star Wars (and most action/war-centric fiction) has protagonists who kill en mass. Its just that in GOT, its often portrayed as tragedy and horror, while in Star Wars its usually sanitized and portrayed as exciting adventure. So in a way, you could say that its not that the Star Wars heroes have cleaner hands- its just that GoT is more honest in its presentation about the fact that war is horrible.