Big SW news/RJ Trilogy Still Happening/LF is a mess

[Captain Crimson]

The internet wasn't nearly as ingrained into society as it was then. What has happened is the industry has just changed in many ways. Movie ticket prices, for example, have kept rising, even as they shed customers over time.

[TGLS]

Movie ticket prices, for example, have kept rising, even as they shed customers over time.

Movie ticket prices have remained relatively stable provided you account for inflation:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... /39998123/

With the steady rate of improvements in theater infrastructure, this is a kind of accomplishment.

[clearspira]

It wouldn't surprise me. Rian Johnson was one of the few filmmakers to get along very well with LucasFilm, and given how successful TLJ was they likely want to keep in touch with him.

Also willing to bet there isn't a rush on this trilogy because it may be Episodes X-XII, and they don't really want to kick that off until a decade has passed. So in the meantime, might as well cook up a few treatments of the next trilogy over the years so that there's actually a solid foundation unlike with the ST.

I really cannot see any more mainline numbered Star wars films. From what I have heard from Daisy Ridley, Oscar Issac and especially John Boyega, they have very little good to say about Star Wars nowadays. You would have to offer these three a lot to come back and face the Fandom Menace firestorm again.

What definition of success are we going with for TLJ anyway? Let me give you the lowdown: TFA was successful by every objective measure. Money, reviews, merchandise. Which automatically meant that TLJ was going to be successful because audiences were looking forward to it. And what they found split the fanbase in two. Do you realise how many Youtubers have built a lasting career upon trashing this film?

Loudmouth YouTubers isn't really indicative, but you bought into that narrative, so I can never reason with you. After all, those same loser YouTubers claimed DISCOVERY was cancelled before it even premiered, and now it's on its fourth season.

You do realise that ''loudmouth Youtubers with collectively millions of subs who hate the Sequels'' actually means that there are collectively millions of customers who hate the Sequels? But sure lol. They're just loudmouth Youtubers.

[Makeshift Python]

You do realise that ''loudmouth Youtubers with collectively millions of subs who hate the Sequels'' actually means that there are collectively millions of customers who hate the Sequels? But sure lol. They're just loudmouth Youtubers.

And yet their narrative doesn't match reality. Ten years ago RedLetterMedia made their career out of hating the Star Wars prequels. Back then you could claim that they were reflective of how most fans felt about the prequels. Today? Not so much...

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Movie ticket prices, for example, have kept rising, even as they shed customers over time.

Movie ticket prices have remained relatively stable provided you account for inflation:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... /39998123/

With the steady rate of improvements in theater infrastructure, this is a kind of accomplishment.

I don't think movies faired well in the depreciating groundout though. Inflation's not always a direct phenomenon of increased liquidity and can be more or less triggered by economic shifts from critical market commodities like oil supply or demand. For instance that is. Though granted also, I can't really think of why movies in particular would be subject to such systemic dragging -- but I just feel like demand was specifically curtailed about a decade ago.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Rian Johnson in general seems to be very spirited in his works. His writing seems specifically cognizant of progressive trends online, but I can't really say that about Last Jedi necessarily. I think the most controversial thing among fans about his Last Jedi was just how he used Luke Skywalker; more so than any claims of SJW'ism that's often complained about everything surrounding modern Star Wars and media.

I mean I can only get distracted by that for so long until I suddenly watch TLJ again and find it appropriately ambitious. I guess there's also a major problem with the romantic leads, but really the mysticism of the force has always tended to explain away people doing the most horrible things imaginable in the galaxy but then being redeemed by those close to them. Like it's okay for Luke to redeem Vader but it's not okay for Rey to look to redeem Kylo, and I don't really agree with that. I kind of agree with how Skywalker was used, but the themes of Buddhist dichotomy in fields of thought could have been worse I guess.

[TGLS]

You do realise that ''loudmouth Youtubers with collectively millions of subs who hate the Sequels'' actually means that there are collectively millions of customers who hate the Sequels?

Depends on whether "collectively" means "in sum" or not. Naively summing up a the subscription counts of a bunch of YouTubers and saying the total is a number of people seems flawed. It seems probable that a person who subscribes to anyone one loudmouth makes it more likely they are subscribing to many other loudmouths.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

You do realise that ''loudmouth Youtubers with collectively millions of subs who hate the Sequels'' actually means that there are collectively millions of customers who hate the Sequels?

Depends on whether "collectively" means "in sum" or not. Naively summing up a the subscription counts of a bunch of YouTubers and saying the total is a number of people seems flawed. It seems probable that a person who subscribes to anyone one loudmouth makes it more likely they are subscribing to many other loudmouths.

I was going to mention this. The process of Youtube algorithiming is a process of sharing subscribers, not getting people from all different walks of lie.

Plus social media is considered to a lot of people to not be very reliable representation of public numbers in general. Better work on principle assessment.

[Captain Crimson]

I will say this about the YouTubers who use the hashtag #FandomMenace, in that I prefer those who are more calm, civil, professional, and don't go into raging and ranting and raving. I haven't always agreed with Clownfish TV, but at least I can respect them for how they present their arguments. Or take a channel like, say, The Scoundrel's Cantina. Again, I haven't always agreed with them, but I appreciate them trying to keep things sedate. Those can go out of hand online very quick.

I used to be a huge fan of Ryan Kinel - RK Outpost, but lately it seems he's just devolved into nonstop cussing, and feeding that outrage machine. Doesn't even go over SWL lore videos anymore. When you're consumed by rage, then what's the point in anything? That doesn't win people in the middle over. It just makes you look as bad as or worse than the people you're calling out.