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Yukaphile wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:28 am I'm actually starting in 1963, with Classic Who. :)
Oh dear. That's gonna take a while.
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Well, I like the original Star Trek, and sometimes it feels like, barring my Peruvian friend who is very well educated, that I'm the only one of my friends among my generation who does. Ben is indifferent towards it. Jose doesn't care about it. Tyler is too young. And so on and so forth. I get the feeling I'm going to love Classic Who as much as I love TOS.
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Well I hope so, because otherwise it's going to be tough getting through 26 whole seasons of it. Godspeed. :P
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Wanna discuss the Daleks? I hear they're a major reoccurring enemy in Doctor Who, and from my reading, they kind of remind me of Khan's people, yet some reviewers I've seen say they're symbols of Fascism. They are a warrior culture, right?
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I wouldn't say "warrior culture" as such - they do make a whole lotta war, but not due to any social significance placed on fighting and prevailing, if you get what I mean. I wouldn't say they have much in common with, for instance, Klingons - they fight not so much because "war is good," but "everything else being dead is good."

Give or take the episode of course - there's kind of a consistent through-line that they're driven by xenophobia, and at various times there have been explicit parallels drawn to Nazism and/or other forms of fascism, but they're the product of a lot of writers working on their own stories over the course of decades, so things get vague (pro tip: do not try to construct a coherent timeline of the Daleks, that way lies madness). Look around for a novelisation of 'The Daleks' Master Plan' too, that's a missing story you shouldn't skip.
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Daleks are less a 'warrior culture' and more a 'genocide culture'. Sontarans are the closest Who gets in that regard.
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I have FINALLY got BritBox streaming service, so I can begin watching Doctor Who! Don't worry, I haven't forgotten B5. Just taking a break to watch Who, all the way back to "An Unearthly Child." So ask my thoughts, and I'll give them!
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I just finished "The Daleks" and HOLY SHIT, their first serial had me hooked. It was gripping and... well, I loved it!
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Yukaphile wrote: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:10 am I have FINALLY got BritBox streaming service, so I can begin watching Doctor Who! Don't worry, I haven't forgotten B5. Just taking a break to watch Who, all the way back to "An Unearthly Child." So ask my thoughts, and I'll give them!
That's ~760 episodes then, not including the missing ones. That's a hell of a long break!
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Most British fans like myself who watched Doctor Who growing up never did start at the beginning or anything like that; it was just a random storyline watched in any order. The ones I watched when I was young were mostly Jon Pertwee (3rd Doctor) and a bit of Tom Baker (4th Doctor) (not showing my age- those were just the ones that were on / available). I barely understood any of it but it was fun and sometimes scary.

And yeah, Daleks are not a "warrior culture", even though they operate in a strict military hierarchy with zero civilians. They are extremly paranoid genocidal xenophobes who grow in power over the course of the series and are utterly fanatical and crazy; like Nazis on steroids, and they are one fo the earliest examples of villains who are explicitly based on the Nazis including ideologically and aren't just some shallow rip-off that just uses the imagery.

The Cybermen, who come later, are sometimes considered to be Space Communists to their Space Nazis, since they want everyone to be the same, for a contrast.
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