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Scrappy Doo. What? It's got talking dogs and ghosts and witches and...

OK, Wesley Crusher. I liked Pulaski despite her shortcomings, because I wanted to see, once in a while, someone disagree with Picard without being stupid. Wesley Crusher was everything bad about teenagers except acne, distilled into Gene's pet character and shoved in our faces. The only good thing about Wesley has that he saved the ship, but the worst thing about Wesley was that he saved the ship.

They could have done a good teenage character. Jake Sisko and Nog both worked for me, and Jake Sisko was the central character of my favorite DS9 episode by far.

For Voyager, Chakotay. They should have killed him off when the actor got unhappy, moved Tuvok to XO and moved Kim to Tactical. Or promoted Naomi Wildman to XO and negotiated with the Borg over tea parties. Or promoted one of the bulkheads to XO, and wait to see how long it takes for the audience to notice.

Nobody stands out to me on DS9 or Enterprise to really hate. I hated the idea planned for Kai Opaka, in which they were to have her give cryptic clues that only in retrospect turned out to be prophetic, but they wrote her out pretty early on in the series. I don't hate any of the SW characters, even Jar Jar, but I haven't seen any of the sequel SW trilogy. For B5, Byron, if he counts.
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My big thing with Kreia is, even if you hate her, fine. But you should at least acknowledge she has a point on some things. Our culture and our teachings and the nature of our people really do find definition in conflict. Not even war. Life itself is constant conflict, learning and training and growing and relearning.
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Yukaphile wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:35 pm My big thing with Kreia is, even if you hate her, fine. But you should at least acknowledge she has a point on some things. Our culture and our teachings and the nature of our people really do find definition in conflict. Not even war. Life itself is constant conflict, learning and training and growing and relearning.
Oh she has a point. She’s not completely wrong. She just uses her point to go into a massive rant of how the universe should operate. She manipulates, lies, abuses, and cheats constantly and the fact the game gives me every single speech she has ever done is frustrating. It’s like Caesar From New Vegas but for one point. Caesar makes a LOT of points, and he’s not wrong on a lot of what he thinks. A lot of the NCR presidents have hurt the NCR, Mr. House is holding onto a past that has DIED centuries ago, the Brotherhood are a relic that should be killed (and i’m a BOS fan), and the raiders need to be ended with a harsh hand. But the game also reminded the player that Caesar... is an utter monster. Kotor 2 makes Kreia evil but considers ALL her points valid, even though while you are right she has a lot of points... her main argument is nonsensical. Plus even if you agree with her major argument, she’s still a horrible person. I don’t dislike her as a character. I dislike how Kotor 2 treats her. It’s like how Kotor the Old republic treats the Dark emperor. Whatever you like for the character is over with how much the game loves the character and focuses on them over everything.
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TNG: I have to go with Wesley too. There are two Wesleys: Wesley the Teenager who wants to become a Starfleet officer, and Wesley the Wonder Boy. Wesley the Teenager had good episodes, and interesting interactions with Picard. Wesley the Wonder Boy is annoying. The first seasons are mostly about Wonder Boy and the middles seasons about the Teenager. Unfortunately, he had to end as the Wonder Boy. With the Traveller, the secondary character I hate the most.

DS9: Vedek Bareil. Of all the love interests of Kira, he's the most boring spiritual man of any show.

Voyager: Chakotay. "Le Bon Sauvage", who got to live too much on that trope and native clichés. Too good, no real flaws. One of the greatest missed opportunities of the show. He's a Maquis leader for maybe two episodes, and then he's just a Starfleet officer. Seska is a close second.

Enterprise: I never really liked T'Pol. Her Vulcan stoicism made her look more broody and snobbish than logical.

Discovery: Hugh Culber. Okay, the show's still young so there is still room for improvements, but Culber really needs to stand on his own. Now, he's just the sweet lover of Stammets. Season 2 was better for him, but still...

Babylon 5: Marcus Cole. The Sweet Talking Space Paladin. I cannot really tell why, but I never really liked him. Stephen Franklin is ex-aequo for me. Cold, snarky, bleh.

Farscape: Farscape was strange. I really liked the first seasons, but then they killed Zhaan. It's like they killed wisdom and reason. All characters that replaced her or were added were simply insane. Out of them, Jool and Utu Noranti were the worst, but I believe Moanin' Jool annoyed me the most.

SG1: Kingsey, for reasons that were already stated by others.

Lexx: All of them...
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Nobody700 wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:45 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:35 pm My big thing with Kreia is, even if you hate her, fine. But you should at least acknowledge she has a point on some things. Our culture and our teachings and the nature of our people really do find definition in conflict. Not even war. Life itself is constant conflict, learning and training and growing and relearning.
Oh she has a point. She’s not completely wrong. She just uses her point to go into a massive rant of how the universe should operate. She manipulates, lies, abuses, and cheats constantly and the fact the game gives me every single speech she has ever done is frustrating. It’s like Caesar From New Vegas but for one point. Caesar makes a LOT of points, and he’s not wrong on a lot of what he thinks. A lot of the NCR presidents have hurt the NCR, Mr. House is holding onto a past that has DIED centuries ago, the Brotherhood are a relic that should be killed (and i’m a BOS fan), and the raiders need to be ended with a harsh hand. But the game also reminded the player that Caesar... is an utter monster. Kotor 2 makes Kreia evil but considers ALL her points valid, even though while you are right she has a lot of points... her main argument is nonsensical. Plus even if you agree with her major argument, she’s still a horrible person. I don’t dislike her as a character. I dislike how Kotor 2 treats her. It’s like how Kotor the Old republic treats the Dark emperor. Whatever you like for the character is over with how much the game loves the character and focuses on them over everything.
The problem with Caesar was that they made him comically evil. As you say, a lot of his points were on the money regarding the old world and the NCR, but there was no reason that he could not have achieved his goals without the rape, slavery and crucifixion. No one who isn't a Very Evil character could realistically side with him especially if your Courier is female given how she would have to have walked past the rape camps several times and at least pondered about what would happen if she outlived her usefulness one day. He ends up in the end as really being little more than a very powerful raider boss.
This is big problem with Fallout NV in general (although I do love the game) is that the game is so heavily weighted in favour of the NCR in terms of story and quests that on your first playthrough it makes no sense to be anyone else.
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clearspira wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:04 am
Nobody700 wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:45 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:35 pm My big thing with Kreia is, even if you hate her, fine. But you should at least acknowledge she has a point on some things. Our culture and our teachings and the nature of our people really do find definition in conflict. Not even war. Life itself is constant conflict, learning and training and growing and relearning.
Oh she has a point. She’s not completely wrong. She just uses her point to go into a massive rant of how the universe should operate. She manipulates, lies, abuses, and cheats constantly and the fact the game gives me every single speech she has ever done is frustrating. It’s like Caesar From New Vegas but for one point. Caesar makes a LOT of points, and he’s not wrong on a lot of what he thinks. A lot of the NCR presidents have hurt the NCR, Mr. House is holding onto a past that has DIED centuries ago, the Brotherhood are a relic that should be killed (and i’m a BOS fan), and the raiders need to be ended with a harsh hand. But the game also reminded the player that Caesar... is an utter monster. Kotor 2 makes Kreia evil but considers ALL her points valid, even though while you are right she has a lot of points... her main argument is nonsensical. Plus even if you agree with her major argument, she’s still a horrible person. I don’t dislike her as a character. I dislike how Kotor 2 treats her. It’s like how Kotor the Old republic treats the Dark emperor. Whatever you like for the character is over with how much the game loves the character and focuses on them over everything.
The problem with Caesar was that they made him comically evil. As you say, a lot of his points were on the money regarding the old world and the NCR, but there was no reason that he could not have achieved his goals without the rape, slavery and crucifixion. No one who isn't a Very Evil character could realistically side with him especially if your Courier is female given how she would have to have walked past the rape camps several times and at least pondered about what would happen if she outlived her usefulness one day. He ends up in the end as really being little more than a very powerful raider boss.
This is big problem with Fallout NV in general (although I do love the game) is that the game is so heavily weighted in favour of the NCR in terms of story and quests that on your first playthrough it makes no sense to be anyone else.
Oh I agree. The fact the game pretends the Legion is somewhat good is pathetic. Caesar is the most reasonable of the legion and even he’s still a psychotic asshole who deserved more punishment then what I gave him, and I punched his head off! Still, my point is that the game treated him as wrong in general with some points vs another character who the game lived and died on.
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Star Trek: I tend not to hate the traditionally hated characters tbh. I thought Neelix when written well was a pretty decent character, and Wesley didn't actually save the ship as often as people think. Later on he just hung about and gave valuable suggestions. I think probably Troi is my least liked character as her uselessness was tolerated too much by the rest of the crew. Wesley at least did save the ship, and Neelix did at least have a few skills to fall back on, but Troi was too often completely useless and helpless. And her powers just told everyone the obvious making them practically useless.

Stargate: Chloe from SGU for reasons very similar to Troi: she was fanservice and spent her days being useless or helpless. She was also a prick tease to Eli, treating him like a spare whenever the other guy who I forget his name wasn't about.

Farscape: Jool. Useless. Whiney. Far too smug for little reason.

Dr Who: Every new series companion besides Jack (who wasn't really a companion) found a way to annoy me somehow, but special points to Rose who treated Mickey like shit and was incredibly self-centred and yet was treated by those around her as an angel.

Battlestar Galactica reboot: Cally, but not at first. They seemed intent on turning her into a shrew as time went on. Can't say I was that sad when she went airlock surfing.

And yes all these choices are women, but all too often female characters in sci-fi are written terribly what can I say? A probable side-effect of 95% of sci-fi writers (at least in the 20th and early 21st century) being male I would wager.
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Star Wars: Jar-Jar, still, after all these years.

Voyager: Neelix.

Enterprise: Do I have to pick just one? OK, fine, Archer. And sometimes Phlox.

DS9: Weyoun, but he's supposed to be annoying.

TNG: Pulaski.

TOS: Charlie X always pissed me off by being a right creep.

STD: Burnham largely for being a horribly written character, but also Tilly in season 2 for being a waste of a really good actress. (Mirror!Tilly in Star Trek Online, on the other hand, is a fantastic villain and I really hope they bring her back because Mary Wiseman rocks)

The Marvel netflix shows: IRON FIST SUCKS.

The Arrowverse shows: Felicity and Manhell. I fucking loathe them both, I used to like Felicity but she turned into an emotionally abusive jerk, and Manhell is a cartoon frat boy.

B5: the lousy special effects on Crusade. You know which effect I mean specifically.

Stargate: Oh, man, the Ori suck, and their entire arc is boring and obviously tacked-on.

Stargate Atlantis: The way that it turns into a brainless mess of a show pretty fast and never really recovers.

Stargate Universe: The evil boss doctor guy AND the schlubby protagonist.

nuBSG: Baltar, but also the way the narrative is obsessed with him. I also dislike a number of creative choices made in mid to late season 2 and despise the third and fourth seasons and the increasingly obnoxious God-is-real BS.
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Yukaphile wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:55 pm Not Jar Jar for me. No, that would be Neelix. I can see why Chuck dislikes him, but Jar Jar was never meant to be more than a harmless goof and he actually grew the hell up.
I actually find it funny, that for all the fans who said Jar Jar was the one who destroyed the Republic by giving Palpatine Emergency powers (he wasn't as Palpatine Would have gotten what he wanted no matter what as he already had half the Republic in his pocket at this point) Jar Jar actually DID save the galaxy in one of The Clone Wars, and remember that's still canon.

Spoilers ahead but in the underwater 3 parter in season 4 and in that episode Jar Jar saves Padme's life and had he not been there she Would have Died. In other words, if not for Jar Jar, Padme would have died, Anakin would have likely fallen to the dark side a lot earlier and Luke and Leia would have never been born.

Also, in season 4, right after the aforementioned 3 parter, Jar Jar helps capture Grievous and was actually got a few laughs out of me. I feel that Jar Jar in these 4 episodes is what Lucas wanted the character to be, a goof and a clown but still overall likable and helpful enough that you'd get why others wouldn't mind him sticking around. I don't love Jar Jar but honestly I never got why he was so hated. At best he's forgettabble and at worst he's mildly annoying.
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Can't deny Kreia is manipulative as hell. She has a point on many things, but could ease up oh so slightly. :P
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