Star Trek Beyond BEY

[MissKittyFantastico]

Didn't they use the same song with Kirk driving the vette off the cliff? Into Darkness at least used Body Movin'. They should have went with Brass Monkey or that one song off of Paul's Boutique.

Problem is the gag only lands if you recognise the song at the same moment Kirk does - if you hear some random track and guess it's Beastie Boys since that's his band in Kelvinverse and presumably the camera's looking at Chris Pine smirking for some reason, there's not much satisfaction in being in on the joke there. I'd wager for most of the audience that narrows it down to Intergalactic or Sabotage, and Sabotage at least has the benefit of sounding like it could blow something up.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Didn't they use the same song with Kirk driving the vette off the cliff? Into Darkness at least used Body Movin'. They should have went with Brass Monkey or that one song off of Paul's Boutique.

Problem is the gag only lands if you recognise the song at the same moment Kirk does - if you hear some random track and guess it's Beastie Boys since that's his band in Kelvinverse and presumably the camera's looking at Chris Pine smirking for some reason, there's not much satisfaction in being in on the joke there. I'd wager for most of the audience that narrows it down to Intergalactic or Sabotage, and Sabotage at least has the benefit of sounding like it could blow something up.

If that were the case then I might just refrain. They have a lot of songs though, and I just think you'd have to pick the right one. As far as context, there's enough to pick up on for casual bystanders. It's apparent that he's familiar with the song and the artist in his reaction. I suppose you could just pick a segment specifically with Ad Rock, it wouldn't make things harder since they're all pretty much on every song. People unfamiliar might be like "who is that?" but you can piece it together if you remember the first one.

Really though I am just going for art in score composition despite select understanding, though it's a fair consideration on your part. With themes though there's totally a path of staying off the nose.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I wouldn't pick Brass Monkey though that was a joke lol. I was somewhat serious about "the song on Paul's Boutique" though, just being intentionally vague because I didn't know the name of the song. It's Looking Down the Barrel of a Gun.

[MissKittyFantastico]

As far as context, there's enough to pick up on for casual bystanders. It's apparent that he's familiar with the song and the artist in his reaction.

It's clear enough, sure, but I don't feel like it's a laugh moment in that case. ST09 essentially did the groundwork to make it pay off, by teaching Trekkies that Kelvin Kirk likes Beastie Boys and (if they didn't know already; I didn't) Sabotage is a Beastie Boys song - knowing that, you're in Kirk's place, you chuckle along with him. Otherwise it's just kind of a data point, that doesn't really deserve all the (pretty laboured) setup they had to do to justify playing music instead of just whipping up some random tecnobabble.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

As far as context, there's enough to pick up on for casual bystanders. It's apparent that he's familiar with the song and the artist in his reaction.

It's clear enough, sure, but I don't feel like it's a laugh moment in that case. ST09 essentially did the groundwork to make it pay off, by teaching Trekkies that Kelvin Kirk likes Beastie Boys and (if they didn't know already; I didn't) Sabotage is a Beastie Boys song - knowing that, you're in Kirk's place, you chuckle along with him. Otherwise it's just kind of a data point, that doesn't really deserve all the (pretty laboured) setup they had to do to justify playing music instead of just whipping up some random tecnobabble.

I get how it all works, really. It's just not particularly the right payoff. I just don't think it's as constricted as you make it out to be, the movie is just putting the ends really close together in using the same song, and possibly writing a lot of the scene to bring it back in fashion. And again it doesn't do the scene the right justice, which should be the most important part a lot of the time. Using Remote Control would work from the startup and the action scene.

Let the audience recognize Beastie Boys or not... really imo. You're not trying to get a base hit here, you're trying tag home. Remote Control does better as a theme, services for the initiation. If the viewer learns at some point that it's the Beastie Boys, then they still get the achievement. Remote Control isn't as popular as a song, so casual fans might recognize it when they start rapping and get in on it pretty immediately. All and all though it just works better for the scene and better for Trek. The beat is more electronic, on the same CD where they mention Spock.

[Durandal_1707]

(shrugs)

You say sabotage, I say sabatadge.

[Deledrius]

(shrugs)

You say sabotage, I say sabatadge.

Was there a meta-joke in the song selection given Shatner's history?