Favorite Enterprise battle

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Between Insurrection and Generations, I like the Generations battle for what it is more. The Insurrection battle is a little more drawn out and grueling and is structured a little stronger.

[Captain Crimson]

Between Insurrection and Generations, I like the Generations battle for what it is more. The Insurrection battle is a little more drawn out and grueling and is structured a little stronger.

But at least in the Insurrection battle, the bad guys don't have access to their shield frequencies.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Between Insurrection and Generations, I like the Generations battle for what it is more. The Insurrection battle is a little more drawn out and grueling and is structured a little stronger.

But at least in the Insurrection battle, the bad guys don't have access to their shield frequencies.

Right. It's just a Judo fight in Generations.

In Insurrection though I don't get how Enterprise gets compromised so quickly. They get to full power or something only to be striked and then have to head into the nebula.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I'm surprised Nemesis got the reception that it did for I don't ever see anything good said about the movie on the internet.

The only aspect I'm not 100% on is when the Enterprise goes up against some megaladon of a ship and it doesn't really ever seem like a sizeable matchup considering what Enterprise will have trouble with otherwise with ships its own size. With the Borg it was kind of the whole point and it was very circumstantial if they're able to systemically breach it.

With the Shinzon battle though, It's paced nicely fitting into the overall plot allowance, it has a good alliance moment and doesn't get too milked, it doesn't even end favorably for the Enterprise in the slightest. Feels very abstractly genuine. It gives Picard in the movies due credit as a red alert captain.

[Madner Kami]

Nemesis is much better than the reputation it got, if you ask me. By far the worst TNG-movie is Insurrection, followed by Generations, leaving First Contact on place #1 and, logically, Nemesis as #2 in my book. Insurrection has an interesting plot-point that gets completely fucked up the arse by the sillyness the movie throws in your face left, right and center. Nemesis is the exact opposite, having a pretty stupid basic plot-point that gets played completely straight. Remove or replace the chase for B4 and give Shinzon a sensible motivation and you'd have a great movie. As is, I at least can take the execution seriously, while Insurrection only offers the "manual steering column"...

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Nemesis is much better than the reputation it got, if you ask me. By far the worst TNG-movie is Insurrection, followed by Generations, leaving First Contact on place #1 and, logically, Nemesis as #2 in my book. Insurrection has an interesting plot-point that gets completely fucked up the arse by the sillyness the movie throws in your face left, right and center. Nemesis is the exact opposite, having a pretty stupid basic plot-point that gets played completely straight. Remove or replace the chase for B4 and give Shinzon a sensible motivation and you'd have a great movie. As is, I at least can take the execution seriously, while Insurrection only offers the "manual steering column"...

Precisely.

Insurrection has good ideas, but there's no momentum in the story. The stakes aren't so much humanity or the Enterprise, just a micro civilization.

Also its political drama is with a completely unfamiliar race that has a whole arc for just the movie and would have been much better if it was like a Bajoran conspiracy or Cardassian revolution front.

[hammerofglass]

I think I'd like the Nemesis battle more if it hadn't come out right while I was in the middle of a Starfleet Command 3 kick (they were released about a month apart). It's presented so close to the gameplay that it comes off as a generic skirmish when you're in that mindset. A skirmish where Shinzon was playing on easy.

Plus it always bugged me that the movie went out of its way to establish the Scimitar had massive hangars full of fighters and drones but then they never use them.