Why weren't there more crossovers in Trek?
Re: Why weren't there more crossovers in Trek?
Need to to be very careful with them IMO otherwise it feels a bit like pandering and creates small world syndrome. It's stretching it to justify them unless you've got a character in one show with an established connection to a character in another, or one of them is an overall important figure in the setting at large.
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Re: Why weren't there more crossovers in Trek?
There's nothing more I hate in this world than pandering other than terrorists.
..What mirror universe?
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It seems like producers were really wary of making continuity too much of a thing.
There should have been more crossover with TNG, even if it was just Picard sitting at a war planning meeting and having a discussion with Sisko afterward.
There should have been more crossover with TNG, even if it was just Picard sitting at a war planning meeting and having a discussion with Sisko afterward.
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Re: Why weren't there more crossovers in Trek?
It was pretty cool though that Robert Picardo was in First Contact.
..What mirror universe?
Re: Why weren't there more crossovers in Trek?
I'm sure cost is an issue, as a big name star costs money
The big one is that showrunners, producers and writers don't "get it", and they likely are not sci fi or Star Trek fans. Sadly, most of them are just ''people doing a job". A writer is just hired to write a ''spacy TV show" so they just slap something together with the words ''space" and "aliens" in it, drop it on someones desk and are like ''pay me". The showrunner and producer pick it up and...well have a minion read it and give them the cliff notes, and then go "pew pew awesome!".
And so, oh 75%, of TV is made.
Of course fans know better, and many of the greatest episodes are crossover episodes. The DS9 one with Robert Picardo, who does not play the Voyager Doctor but two other rules, is a great example. And that episode has a nice secret about Bashirs past too.
And you can see them repeat the same mistakes over and over again: The Picard people were all crazy upset and saying "our show will be an awesome stand alone pew pew space show and NOT a Star Trek The Next Generation sequel! So all you Star Trek fans don't watch pew pew! " . And the show did ok, for a bad CBS type show. But "surprise" what were the popular episodes: the one(s) with Seven and the one with Riker and Troi. So now, for season 2 of Picard, they are like "hey we should bring back more TNG and Star Trek people". Wow...who would have thought.....
The big one is that showrunners, producers and writers don't "get it", and they likely are not sci fi or Star Trek fans. Sadly, most of them are just ''people doing a job". A writer is just hired to write a ''spacy TV show" so they just slap something together with the words ''space" and "aliens" in it, drop it on someones desk and are like ''pay me". The showrunner and producer pick it up and...well have a minion read it and give them the cliff notes, and then go "pew pew awesome!".
And so, oh 75%, of TV is made.
Of course fans know better, and many of the greatest episodes are crossover episodes. The DS9 one with Robert Picardo, who does not play the Voyager Doctor but two other rules, is a great example. And that episode has a nice secret about Bashirs past too.
And you can see them repeat the same mistakes over and over again: The Picard people were all crazy upset and saying "our show will be an awesome stand alone pew pew space show and NOT a Star Trek The Next Generation sequel! So all you Star Trek fans don't watch pew pew! " . And the show did ok, for a bad CBS type show. But "surprise" what were the popular episodes: the one(s) with Seven and the one with Riker and Troi. So now, for season 2 of Picard, they are like "hey we should bring back more TNG and Star Trek people". Wow...who would have thought.....
Re: Why weren't there more crossovers in Trek?
Another one that makes sense - Voyager had established the EMH as a standard piece of equipment, so it's reasonable that the Ent-E would have one.BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:05 am It was pretty cool though that Robert Picardo was in First Contact.
Re: Why weren't there more crossovers in Trek?
I really like older Seven but bringing her in was definitely small world syndrome. But it makes sense for Picard to turn to Riker and Troi, there's already a well-established connection between those characters. Indeed it would be odd if he didn't go to his former crew at some point.
Re: Why weren't there more crossovers in Trek?
Seven DOES fit though, as both she and Picard are Ex-Borg "Exps". And about half the plot does revolve around a Borg Cube.Riedquat wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:30 pm I really like older Seven but bringing her in was definitely small world syndrome. But it makes sense for Picard to turn to Riker and Troi, there's already a well-established connection between those characters. Indeed it would be odd if he didn't go to his former crew at some point.
So there is a connection, unlike most other characters that would just be there for no reason other then ratings. Not like say having Tom Paris showing up and saying "wow Picard dude lets Space Drag Race!"
Re: Why weren't there more crossovers in Trek?
Good bloody obvious point I hadn't considered! Mind you she shows up somewhat randomly; she could've been following some leads that lead to the same place but I don't remember her saying so.Zargon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:52 amSeven DOES fit though, as both she and Picard are Ex-Borg "Exps". And about half the plot does revolve around a Borg Cube.Riedquat wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:30 pm I really like older Seven but bringing her in was definitely small world syndrome. But it makes sense for Picard to turn to Riker and Troi, there's already a well-established connection between those characters. Indeed it would be odd if he didn't go to his former crew at some point.
So there is a connection, unlike most other characters that would just be there for no reason other then ratings. Not like say having Tom Paris showing up and saying "wow Picard dude lets Space Drag Race!"
Re: Why weren't there more crossovers in Trek?
Well, this is because Picard is a mostly bad show with horrible writers and a typical "I hate sci fi and Star Trek" guy who only runs the show by TV politics.
Instead of the crybaby Picard who was all "we must save the evil monster Romulans" for no reason.....we could of had Picard saving the Ex-Borg for the real reason as THAT is a right and good thing to do.
And it would have made prefect sense for Hugh and Seven to be part of the save the Borg. But that would have taken a writer, producer, showrunner, etc that was a fan, that cared and that knew Star Trek lore.