clearspira wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 11:18 pm
If everyone else loves her, great, but I am sick to death of this character. She seems to be DC's only current success story which apparently means that she has to be in everything they are currently producing.
Don't complain about a lack of female representation in comic book films and then go on to overexpose a single female character, DC.
I thought it was cool that she was in Arkham City in 2012. Though I must say that the movie tie-in for the game series Assault on Arkham really got my attention.
I was really let down by Suicide Squad 2016 and I'm not the only one who compares that to it.
Getting to the last 3 S1 episodes were difficult for me because the humor wasn't sticking, yeah Ivy talks smack about her Green and why it has limits but in the DC comics Ivy was basically a nature god in Gotham.
And some of the acting Clayface does is just greasy poor acting, even newbies have better restraint than to a B-day song?!
But I was ultimately happy Joker got punished the way he was created, Ivy's death was uncalled for.
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All Beings bow before the children of he who bound their flesh by their words.
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King Green wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 4:28 pm
Getting to the last 3 S1 episodes were difficult for me because the humor wasn't sticking, yeah Ivy talks smack about her Green and why it has limits but in the DC comics Ivy was basically a nature god in Gotham.
And some of the acting Clayface does is just greasy poor acting, even newbies have better restraint than to a B-day song?!
But I was ultimately happy Joker got punished the way he was created, Ivy's death was uncalled for.
The idea is that Ivy has been getting some rose treatment for the shifting attitudes in environmentalism. Militant environmentalism had equal footing of consideration as actual environmental concerns, though the gloom of time tables coming about has really served to terraform the landscape of issues.
Clayface is alright.
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Ivy's power level in the DC universe fluctuates about as much as Clayface's - who has fluidly slid between "surpassing Batman in all possible regards" to "joke villain disposed of in a few panels".
I think the only bigger fluctuation is Soloman Grundy, who can vary between "minor problem for Batman" and "got into fist fight with Superman".
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GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 4:40 pmI think the only bigger fluctuation is Soloman Grundy, who can vary between "minor problem for Batman" and "got into fist fight with Superman".
Superman's not very good against magic. It's like his only weakness outside his own lore.
GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 4:40 pmI think the only bigger fluctuation is Soloman Grundy, who can vary between "minor problem for Batman" and "got into fist fight with Superman".
Superman's not very good against magic. It's like his only weakness outside his own lore.
Superman is weak to magic in that he's weaker than invincible. And that's it. Grundy isn't attacking with magic anyway, he's attacking with giant fists.
They finally handwaved it to "his power level fluctuates with every resurrection cycle" so sometimes he's about as strong as Bane, and sometimes he can go toe to toe with the man of steel.
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GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 4:40 pmI think the only bigger fluctuation is Soloman Grundy, who can vary between "minor problem for Batman" and "got into fist fight with Superman".
Superman's not very good against magic. It's like his only weakness outside his own lore.
Superman is weak to magic in that he's weaker than invincible. And that's it. Grundy isn't attacking with magic anyway, he's attacking with giant fists.
They finally handwaved it to "his power level fluctuates with every resurrection cycle" so sometimes he's about as strong as Bane, and sometimes he can go toe to toe with the man of steel.
Well I kind of assumed that Magic explained his powers but that's apparently only explicitly in the DCAU. Generally he's seen as brought to be by supernatural forces, in which magic is heavily correlated with in DC stories.
I thought Grundy was explicitly magic as well, but empowered by magic doesn't weaken Superman. Like, it's not like he gets physically less strong near magic, it's that magic has the same effect on him it would on a human. So if you're magically superstrong, well, you're still fighting Superman. It does also screw with his supersenses, but that's because it apparently looks really, really weird. And that's a sometimes thing, so it might be down to what flavor of magic.
Anyway! The point is that Ivy has varied from "woman who can control some plant based stuff" to "immortal demigoddess of the green". Although we could say that's basically down to how much Swamp Thing is inhibiting her power.
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GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:29 pm
I thought Grundy was explicitly magic as well, but empowered by magic doesn't weaken Superman. Like, it's not like he gets physically less strong near magic, it's that magic has the same effect on him it would on a human. So if you're magically superstrong, well, you're still fighting Superman. It does also screw with his supersenses, but that's because it apparently looks really, really weird. And that's a sometimes thing, so it might be down to what flavor of magic.
I understand what you're saying about overt weakness. I was just referring to shortcomings in attributes. As Chuck has explained, he's exhibitionally no slower than Flash, has developed fighting powers with his eyes and breath, and goes so far as to subvert time physics in a first movie.
He goes up against more powerful people as part of his resilience and endurance like Muhammad Ali. So fighting wise he's very intuitive and it comes across very passionately in his demeanor.
All of that amounts to him being just about as good of a flying rodent as Shazam.
GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 4:40 pmI think the only bigger fluctuation is Soloman Grundy, who can vary between "minor problem for Batman" and "got into fist fight with Superman".
Superman's not very good against magic. It's like his only weakness outside his own lore.
It's less a 'weakness to magic' as a 'standard resistance to magic'.
Which, yes, that means something like Linkara's magic gun or a Wand of Magic Missle could hit Supes just as hard as a standard .45 Auto would hit any of us.
