Non binary vampires

[ProfessorDetective]

Por Que No Los Dos?

It's not so much about "Reclaiming" the word as it being something we've had for a long while, and it's stuck, and it's academically useful, and sometimes it's more efficient than a long string of letters, and whenever we try to come up with some other umbrella term the radical squad starts raising cane and makes a big fuss about it and we circle back. Remember MOGAI?

For my part, I'm working to make progress in both areas. LGBTQIAP human protagonists and LGBTQIAP werewolves and half-angels and whatnot are in my published works.

That's why I go with the non-cishet... Well, non-cisALLOhet, now (turns out, asexuality runs on its own spectrum, 'allosexual' meaning 'those who experience sexual attraction of any kind'). It covers the vast majority of the community (non-cisgendered, non-allosexual, and/or, non-heterosexual, folks), is less than five syllables, and should only have negative connotations to the type of people who want people that the term applies to not exist anymore (so, no one worth bothering with).

It's not as snappy as... the other term, but finding a good, succinct one to encompass such a wide, disparate, assortment of people (that doesn't involve just listing them off) isn't easy. I am trying though.

[Darth Wedgius]

Lack of demand, I imagine. Lesbian vampires appeal to a lot of straight men, so we get lesbian vampires.

But if you want to write non-binary vampires, it could actually be interesting. How tied together are men and women by reproduction? If vampires can't reproduce, that might not apply. And vampires might live... well, exist... for centuries, during which societal norms for male/female could change, too. High heels used to be a thing for dudes, not dames.

A lot of predators don't cooperate with each other, unless they need to take down larger prey as a pack. Vampires are usually the toughest things around, at least in the stuff I've read, so I don't see a need for pack hunting. Settings may differ, of course.

Take a typical binary human. Remove the evolutionary reason for being male or female, disconnect them from the outside culture by time and a need for secrecy, have them look at virtually everyone they meet as food, and I'd expect lots of changes. A gender identity could easily be one of them.

[McAvoy]

My knowledge of this is admittedly limited. But I kinda assumed there was non binary vampires. Especially in some portrayals like the ones we have seen in Underworld. Main character who is one? I have no idea.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Well do you know which movies they are in and what their names are?

[McAvoy]

Well do you know which movies they are in and what their names are?

Vampire 12 and 17 in Underworld: Milking It.

Like I said my knowledge is limited but I kinda feel like some of the vampires I saw in Underworld could be non binary.

But I do get what you are saying. Actually for me, it would make perfect sense for a vampire to be non binary though.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Well, yeah they COULD be nonbinary. Anyone could theoretically be nonbinary until you ask them. I'm asking if people know of any vampires that ARE nonbinary.

[GreyICE]

This is and especially ironic argument considering the likely origin of vampires being an allegory for the nobility and aristocratic class (literal blood suckers eh)

It's why Dracula was a count and why VtM has the Ventrue.

I mean VTM has the Ventrue because they wanted the Cam to have every single major archtype of vampire fiction:

Brujah - Ass kicking anarchist biker vampires
Gangrel - Animalistic lone hunter vampires
Malkavians - Insane, otherworldly vampires
Toreador - Sensual, seductive Vampires
Tremere - Occult, magical vampires
Ventrue - Powerful, aristocratic vampires

Those were the original seven clans. And yeah, Vampire definitely a game that had a problem with "transgender vampires are all super monstrous even by the standards that everyone is a monster!" The Tzimisce are not one of the nicer clans, and that's where all the trans characters tended to end up early. Fortunately they worked to rectify that in revised but the early work can be a pretty hard read. 1st Edition also had the "evil foreigners!" problem, although they started clearing that one up in a right hurry, even before revised (it helps all the vampire clans are evil, and it's easy to put down stories of evil foreigners to "shit the clans tell neonates to make them think the grass is greener on this side").

(also supernatural blood drinking fiends is hard to nail down into any one origin story. Modern vampires draw much inspiration from Dracula, but Dracula drew inspiration from numerous pieces of mythology. Really there's no one origin myth of the vampire, although Dracula is probably as close as you'll come)