The New Scientist proclaims "Star Trek Renassiance"

[CharlesPhipps]

This article isn't just propaganda, it's BAD propaganda that can't even mention specifics about why the shows it praises are good.

Perhaps because "I like it and think it's fun" is enough for normal people?

WHAT do they like? WHY do they think it's fun?

I've been burned by too many shows with glowing but extremely vague reviews to ever believe anybody who says "I like it and think it's fun and it's popular!" If they can't point to anything specific, then I automatically suspect they're BSing me.

I dunno, for me it's the fact that it's a modernized look at the classic TOS era of Star Trek. I like the characters, the relationships, and the compact serialized storytelling that links both this era with the modern TNS one. Yes, it has it's flaws like the fact Burnham is too overexposed and central to the plotlines versus a more ensemble piece but I don't dislike the character. I just like the other ones just as much. I also really enjoy a lot of the episodes with "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" and "New Eden" being among my favorite Star Trek episodes.

Oh and Ensign Tilly is awesome.

Season One review: http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2019/10/star-trek-discovery-season-one-review.html

Season Two review: https://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2019/10/star-trek-discovery-season-two-review.html

I completely disagree on every possible level. I hate the visuals, the thinly-sketched cutouts they call characters, the plot-dependent relationships, the idiotic sprawling mess of a story that hares from random plot point to random plot point, I specifically despise both episodes that you mention, I find Ensign Tilly deeply personally insulting as a person with neurological disorders, I find Burnham a toxic racist who is blatantly and offensively shilled by an incompetent narrative overseen by an illiterate hack who only got a job because he's friends with another inexplicably powerful illiterate hack (namely JJ Abrams), and most of all I despise STD's themes of racism, illiberal nationalist faux-liberal cultural imperialism, violence, tokenism, the idea that unsupervised black-ops agencies with no accountability are not inherently evil and disastrous, and ripping off better media left and right.

I think that Discovery is the worst thing to happen to Star Trek since "A Night In Sickbay". I think that STD has irrevocably poisoned the Star Trek brand for decades to come, and is being artificially supported by a desperate network seeking to milk their one well-known brand for every cent they can get while their competitors are shaking dollar bills out of the proverbial money tree left and right. Even thinking about STD, much less watching it, makes me depressed and angry. It really is intellectual and moral poison to me.

Yeah, basically everything he says but in reverse.

[Worffan101]

Yeah, basically everything he says but in reverse.

Funny how your opinion isn't the only one out there, isn't it?

[CharlesPhipps]

Yeah, basically everything he says but in reverse.

Funny how your opinion isn't the only one out there, isn't it?

You seem to think I find you not liking it a threat to mine. I don't. I just choose to share why I love it. DISCO may not be as good as Picard but it's solidly in the middle of my Trek loves above Voyager and Enterprise and under DS9 and TNG.

[Worffan101]

Yeah, basically everything he says but in reverse.

Funny how your opinion isn't the only one out there, isn't it?

You seem to think I find you not liking it a threat to mine. I don't. I just choose to share why I love it. DISCO may not be as good as Picard but it's solidly in the middle of my Trek loves above Voyager and Enterprise and under DS9 and TNG.

I rank it below Voyager and above ENT on the list of Trek shows I wish had never happened. Second worst Trek show of all time, and that's only because the first half of season 2 ENT is almost physically unwatchable.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

This article isn't just propaganda, it's BAD propaganda that can't even mention specifics about why the shows it praises are good.

Perhaps because "I like it and think it's fun" is enough for normal people?

WHAT do they like? WHY do they think it's fun?

I've been burned by too many shows with glowing but extremely vague reviews to ever believe anybody who says "I like it and think it's fun and it's popular!" If they can't point to anything specific, then I automatically suspect they're BSing me.

So you're saying that's one rotten tomato from you?

I'm saying that I want a whole freaking bucket of rotten tomatoes.

All your bases are belong to us.

[McAvoy]

Yeah, basically everything he says but in reverse.

Funny how your opinion isn't the only one out there, isn't it?

You seem to think I find you not liking it a threat to mine. I don't. I just choose to share why I love it. DISCO may not be as good as Picard but it's solidly in the middle of my Trek loves above Voyager and Enterprise and under DS9 and TNG.

I kinda put Discovery and Picard in its own category. The run of classic Trek that started with TOS ended in 2005. This is different Trek now.

I'd even argue that we could start viewing TNG like TOS as a product of its time too. Let's even remember that early TNG was filled with behind the scenes drama that someone like Doomcock would be reporting left and right if TNG was aired today.

[CharlesPhipps]

I kinda put Discovery and Picard in its own category. The run of classic Trek that started with TOS ended in 2005. This is different Trek now.

In fact there was a massive uproar over TNG and its differences from TOS. They were decidedly their own thing and own universe separate from TOS and its movies until Generations.

I'd even argue that we could start viewing TNG like TOS as a product of its time too. Let's even remember that early TNG was filled with behind the scenes drama that someone like Doomcock would be reporting left and right if TNG was aired today.

Its funny that the general Youtube Reviewer agreement of "this is shit" regarding CBSAA Trek was split not by Disco or Picard but Lower Decks. Anti-Trekker and other fans who HATE Disco turned on Doomcock and it's kind of amazing reading the comments from people who follow both.

"Wait, you LIKE Lower Decks? Doomcock hates it worse than Disco!"

[McAvoy]

I can't really argue about how long the haters were with TNG because that sort of thing is before my time. I was there to watch TNG when it first aired but didn't pay attention to fan criticism because no internet and too poor to have any weekly or monthly publications for Trek until later on.

But honestly I haven't heard about fans who viewed TNG seperate from TOS even until Generations. I kinda figured the critics were silent after season 3 of TNG.

Though I do know there are quite a few fans that view ENT as almost a restart of Trek due to First Contact. That Trek after it is a new Trek.

Honestly, with how social media works. Alot of people seem to get their opinions from other people's own opinions. Then it creates an echo chamber.

"I hate the color blue"

"I also hate the color blue"

"We hate the color blue"

"Everyone hates the color blue"

[Link8909]

I can't really argue about how long the haters were with TNG because that sort of thing is before my time. I was there to watch TNG when it first aired but didn't pay attention to fan criticism because no internet and too poor to have any weekly or monthly publications for Trek until later on.

But honestly I haven't heard about fans who viewed TNG seperate from TOS even until Generations. I kinda figured the critics were silent after season 3 of TNG.

Though I do know there are quite a few fans that view ENT as almost a restart of Trek due to First Contact. That Trek after it is a new Trek.

Honestly, with how social media works. Alot of people seem to get their opinions from other people's own opinions. Then it creates an echo chamber.

"I hate the color blue"

"I also hate the color blue"

"We hate the color blue"

"Everyone hates the color blue"

Agreed, I feel that many people online nowadays think that their own opinion is the "correct" opinion, with the mentality of cynicism equals intelligence, and that being critically harsh is honestly, and people are still making the same arguments that people were making thirty years ago, but has now gotten worst and more toxic because of the Internet.

And while I'm for looking at and Star Trek series and film and seeing what works and what doesn't, I'm not going through the same song and dance of hyperbolic, cynical, and just angry reactions that happen every time a new Star Trek thing happens, I'm not going to play into the nerd stereotype of fan entitlement.

[Link8909]

I kinda put Discovery and Picard in its own category. The run of classic Trek that started with TOS ended in 2005. This is different Trek now.

I'd even argue that we could start viewing TNG like TOS as a product of its time too. Let's even remember that early TNG was filled with behind the scenes drama that someone like Doomcock would be reporting left and right if TNG was aired today.

Very true.

However I think The Original Series and The Animated Series are in it's own category as they are very different from the TNG era series.

Personally, while I don't have a list per-say, Deep Space Nine, Discovery, and Picard are series that I can marathon all the way through and enjoy, The Original Series, The Next Generation, and Voyager I'll watch the good and great episodes, but there are episodes I'll skip, I appreciate The Animated Series but I'm in no hurry to rewatch it, and I'm just in no hurry to rewatch Enterprise.