Star Trek Discovery: Season Three

[CharlesPhipps]

Book is at best a copy of Lando and at worse a copy of Han Solo. A planet ruled by gangsters with a town that is, ahem, a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Courier, ahem, bounty hunters. And the whole CGI monster spam where it eats all the bad guys is a 100% copy right from Star Wars The Force Awakens.

Really though you could slip this episode into a run of The Maldorloian, and no one would notice.

Yes, because Star Trek has no lovable rogues.

[Fianna]

Finally some love for Okona.

[Link8909]

Book is at best a copy of Lando and at worse a copy of Han Solo. A planet ruled by gangsters with a town that is, ahem, a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Courier, ahem, bounty hunters. And the whole CGI monster spam where it eats all the bad guys is a 100% copy right from Star Wars The Force Awakens.

Really though you could slip this episode into a run of The Maldorloian, and no one would notice.

Yes, because Star Trek has no lovable rogues.

I also remember Han Solo's altruistic nature to helping endangered alien species because of a love and passion for them to the point of calming down one that would kill if threatened, as well as wanting to atone for his family legacy of hunting said creatures, with money only being a concern because it allows him to actually continue this work, being able to summon a organic/technology plant that heals wounds by chanting, getting involved in the story by accidentally colliding their art-deco spaceship with a time traveling woman from the distant past, having a personal teleportation devise, owning a cat, being black...

Yeah, just being a rogue doesn't equal ripping off, an as I said alien worms eating people isn't an original concept exclusive to Star Wars (Dune anyone?)

As Chuck pointed out in his review of It: The Terror From Beyond Space, taking superficial elements from one work and comparing it to another and saying it's just a ripoff is an over exaggerating criticism that's so easy to do it's up there with plot-hole surfing, and most times isn't even followed up with a genuine contrasting look to see how the work differs or adds to the other work, it's just: this work reminds me of this work, therefore, this work sucks, and with this logic, Deep Space Nine must suck because it was just a ripoff of Babylon 5, the Borg must suck because they were just a ripoff of the Cybermen, Star Wars must suck because it was just a ripoff of Flash Gordon, or Star Trek must suck because it was just a ripoff of Forbidden Planet.

Also you call a giant city with a floating structure over it a town? Also also, Star Wars does not own the rights to the concept of gangsters running crime ridden places, or bounty hunters for that matter.

[Link8909]

This was from the "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1" review tread:

Also, I imagine that the future they arrive at in season 3 will be post-apocalyptic, maybe with Control having slaughtered trillions in the past or something...because, otherwise, they should be able to return home very easily. Time-travel is relatively simple even in the 24th century; Trek has two movies about it for crying out loud. The trouble with the time crystal sounds like the equivalent of needing to buy a new engine for your car.

Sort of, I'd say it's more wild west than post-apocalyptic, as there is still civilisations, it's just now planets and whole sectors are cut off from each other, and large organisations like the Federation can't maintain order like before, for all we know Earth is still a paradise or has collapsed, but people won't know because travel and communications are now very limited.

Also something I really like from this episode is that they quickly explained why time-travel isn't an option anymore by tying it into the Temporal Cold War, so there doesn't look like there isn't a quick fix solution to preventing the Burn from happening to begin with.

[Mabus]

What's with the weird dialogue? The interaction between Burnham and Book felt unnatural. I didn't felt that Burnham landed in a new place where she has to learn who and what, I mean on screen and story wise all the story elements for this to happen are there, but... it just doesn't feel natural. I get that they were trying to set up a conflict with the new guy, but it just doesn't work, there's no chemistry between them. We barely learnt anything, and while it's necessarily to spill too much in the pilot/season opener, it's a good idea to at least start an interesting premise and not just some dumb mystery box. I mean really, "dilithium suddenly exploded"?

[Link8909]

What's with the weird dialogue? The interaction between Burnham and Book felt unnatural. I didn't felt that Burnham landed in a new place where she has to learn who and what, I mean on screen and story wise all the story elements for this to happen are there, but... it just doesn't feel natural. I get that they were trying to set up a conflict with the new guy, but it just doesn't work, there's no chemistry between them. We barely learnt anything, and while it's necessarily to spill too much in the pilot/season opener, it's a good idea to at least start an interesting premise and not just some dumb mystery box. I mean really, "dilithium suddenly exploded"?

While it's early to say, I do hope that the dilithium suddenly exploding isn't apart of some complicated plan from a malevolent force that the crew must defeat, but was just a cataclysmic disaster brought on by chance, and that we will simply learn the details in future episodes, and that they don't try to unto the disaster and simply try to reconnect and rebuild the Federation with these new limitations.

Or if they're going with the allegory to depleting fossil fuels, I'd be fine with it turns out someone was playing around with dilithium trying to improve or experiment on it or something, only for the experiment to horribly backfire and caused the Burn.

While I agree that season twos mystery was ill-conceived, but I do like Star Trek Picards mystery, I do agree that it would be good to not have another season with a mystery element to it.

[Mabus]

I kind of wish they'd just clean-up the dialogue and the storytelling, cause I keep seeing the same brain bugs all over again, it's like the Star Trek franchise can't catch a good production team in decades.

[Captain Crimson]

What's with the weird dialogue? The interaction between Burnham and Book felt unnatural. I didn't felt that Burnham landed in a new place where she has to learn who and what, I mean on screen and story wise all the story elements for this to happen are there, but... it just doesn't feel natural. I get that they were trying to set up a conflict with the new guy, but it just doesn't work, there's no chemistry between them. We barely learnt anything, and while it's necessarily to spill too much in the pilot/season opener, it's a good idea to at least start an interesting premise and not just some dumb mystery box. I mean really, "dilithium suddenly exploded"?

If you will recall, even in VOY and TNG, dilithium is volatile, as it has exploded and torn apart planets, and it's hinted it even did so in STII.

[CharlesPhipps]

Finally some love for Okona.

Clearly who I was speaking of!

[Link8909]

If you will recall, even in VOY and TNG, dilithium is volatile, as it has exploded and torn apart planets, and it's hinted it even did so in STII.

That's mostly why I'm thinking that the Burn was a natural occurrence, although I'm willing to bet that it was scientists playing around with dilithium and going horribly wrong.