One of the Biggest Missteps of the Disney Era of Star Wars

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Finn should have been Lando's son, if you're going with a different timeline. That'd be interesting.
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Personally, if I wrote the sequel trilogy, i would be tempted to make Finn the jedi and have Rey as the street smart scoundrel. The idea of someone who has the force, is abnormally strong with it, but must constantly fall back on stormtrooper training would be something new and help to build up this new generation of stormtroopers as a force to be reckoned with.

I would love to see him defeat Kylo Ren, not by over powering him so much as out smarting him. Ren might be a trained sith warrior but he's trained to fight jedi and sith, i.e. people trained to use the force and fight with a lightsaber. But Finn's only training is as a stormtrooper and so Ren can't predict what he's going to do next.

Even as the trilogy progressed we wouldn't see him use a lightsaber, preferring to use standard weaponry, like blaster rifles and grenades.
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I'm personally against Finn being a Jedi, as that's been overplayed as a theory. However, what would be interesting is if he were a double agent.
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Personally I'd rather Finn be the hero and not a force sensitive. Better yet, if he was force sensitive I'd have him reject becoming a jedi and it not come back to bite him later. I'm kind of sick of the franchise revolving around force sensitives and making it all consuming. It'll never happen because the franchise loves its dualism and black and white morality but I think it would be an actual fresh spin to put on it.
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Beelzquill wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:03 am Personally I'd rather Finn be the hero and not a force sensitive. Better yet, if he was force sensitive I'd have him reject becoming a jedi and it not come back to bite him later. I'm kind of sick of the franchise revolving around force sensitives and making it all consuming. It'll never happen because the franchise loves its dualism and black and white morality but I think it would be an actual fresh spin to put on it.
Yeah, even the old EU fell prey to this, look at West End's Adventure Journals. Look at the new creators who think not being a Jedi diminishes Leia somehow.

In fact, one storyline I appreciate is from JJK, a guy named Uldir who really wants to be a Jedi, but just doesn't have it in him. I don't think you'd get a similar story from DSW.
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I have mixed feelings about SW, to me the setting was always interesting but the story is kinda crap. One big reason is the jedi and sith are very bland. They always seem like the same dumb story being repeated over and over again. The jedi are basically a cult that will follow their code right to the bitter end and all the sith ever want to do is destroy the jedi and take over, and never seem to do a good job with either. Neither has any depth of personality, even in the EU there were only a couple force users i really liked and they were the ones that were in the grey area, like Starkiller and Katarn.
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Winter wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:24 am
mathewgsmith wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:06 am They could have cut him out entirely and lost nothing.
That could actually be the subtitle of the entire Disney Sequel Trilogy, "You can Cut this out and lose nothing of Value."
From what little news has come out about upcoming projects that seems to be the actual plan. Just completely ignore it and never revisit it again.

Other than the Mandalorian writers apparently taking "none of this is remotely explained and the parts that are are complete nonsense" as a challenge, anyway.
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mathewgsmith wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:39 pm
Winter wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:24 am
mathewgsmith wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:06 am They could have cut him out entirely and lost nothing.
That could actually be the subtitle of the entire Disney Sequel Trilogy, "You can Cut this out and lose nothing of Value."
From what little news has come out about upcoming projects that seems to be the actual plan. Just completely ignore it and never revisit it again.

Other than the Mandalorian writers apparently taking "none of this is remotely explained and the parts that are are complete nonsense" as a challenge, anyway.
It really says a lot about the differences between the Prequels, Knights of the Old Republic and the Thrawn Trilogy vs. The Disney Sequel Trilogy. With the latter three creators wanted to expand on the ideas and character presented in those stories as it offered a lot in terms of lore and mythos while TDST is something most writers were already trying to work around or outright ignore at the first opportunity which is kinda hilarious since TDST did what it could to ignore the Prequels, at least at first, and Legends as much as possible.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:28 pm Mostly it's just the fact Finn is constantly getting his ass kicked and the designated coward who doesn't understand where he was, what he's doing, or more.

Can't even keep a love interest for a movie.
Finn is a very Abrams type character you can see throughout his work. In fact, his version of Kirk pretty much filled that slot, getting into many slapstick situations such as this scene.


youtu.be/d3qYbgrSGYs


Note that the slapstick for both Finn and Kirk was either toned down considerably or eradicated when other filmmakers like Rian Johnson and Justin Lin took over.
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Captain Crimson wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:16 am Finn should have been Lando's son, if you're going with a different timeline. That'd be interesting.
With all the focus on who Rey’s parents are, and then the “they were nobodies” reveal, I had hoped this would happen. It would have been a nice twist that we had focused on the wrong character.

Instead, Lando gets a daughter that wasn’t even introduced until the third movie, and the movie doesn’t even acknowledge the relationship. A hint from one scene wasn’t good enough for me.
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