My Issue with the Death of Paige Tico

[CharlesPhipps]

Paige Tico existed for the same purpose as Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. They exist to provide an incentive to the character and personalize their losses. Paige exists to show that the soldiers of the Resistance arne't completely faceless and all of the ones being massacred have families like Rose.

[Nealithi]

Paige Tico existed for the same purpose as Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. They exist to provide an incentive to the character and personalize their losses. Paige exists to show that the soldiers of the Resistance arne't completely faceless and all of the ones being massacred have families like Rose.

I think either she is not used the same way, or they used her poorly.

Quick comparison:
There is an unnamed woman struggling during an attack against a superior force. She manages to release the payload of her vessel but dies in the process. Later we find her name and she has a sister.

We meet the character with his relative. Quickly his name and relation are dropped as is the female parent figure. They share a few scenes showing the male is gruff but cares. Then a bit without the character showing he cares for his nephew. They are simple farmers going about innocent lives. While character is away they are brutally murdered. The character sees this and you can see his pain both when he finds them and when he returns to the mentor figure.

[TGLS]

Paige Tico existed for the same purpose as Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. They exist to provide an incentive to the character and personalize their losses. Paige exists to show that the soldiers of the Resistance arne't completely faceless and all of the ones being massacred have families like Rose.

I think either she is not used the same way, or they used her poorly.

Quick comparison:
There is an unnamed woman struggling during an attack against a superior force. She manages to release the payload of her vessel but dies in the process. Later we find her name and she has a sister.

We meet the character with his relative. Quickly his name and relation are dropped as is the female parent figure. They share a few scenes showing the male is gruff but cares. Then a bit without the character showing he cares for his nephew. They are simple farmers going about innocent lives. While character is away they are brutally murdered. The character sees this and you can see his pain both when he finds them and when he returns to the mentor figure.

Yeah and one's the lead protagonist and the other is a deuteragonist in a story that already has three plots. It's a bit like if there was a quick shot of Bail Organa before Alderaan got blown up.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Paige Tico existed for the same purpose as Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. They exist to provide an incentive to the character and personalize their losses. Paige exists to show that the soldiers of the Resistance arne't completely faceless and all of the ones being massacred have families like Rose.

I think either she is not used the same way, or they used her poorly.

Quick comparison:
There is an unnamed woman struggling during an attack against a superior force. She manages to release the payload of her vessel but dies in the process. Later we find her name and she has a sister.

We meet the character with his relative. Quickly his name and relation are dropped as is the female parent figure. They share a few scenes showing the male is gruff but cares. Then a bit without the character showing he cares for his nephew. They are simple farmers going about innocent lives. While character is away they are brutally murdered. The character sees this and you can see his pain both when he finds them and when he returns to the mentor figure.

Yeah and one's the lead protagonist and the other is a deuteragonist in a story that already has three plots. It's a bit like if there was a quick shot of Bail Organa before Alderaan got blown up.

Whom are you claiming to be the second most important character in the story though?

I think the problem would be more that Rose's subplot is rushed, while the shot of Organa would be muddled in obscurity. Like it's not jarring to follow from Paige to Rose, but if Lucas cut in a shot of Jimmy Smits then it would make no sense in the order of 456123.

I suppose to set it up they could also digitally imprint a poster of Organa hanging up at the Lars farm, indicating that their family had some sort of admiration for him and he was on their side.

[TGLS]

Paige Tico existed for the same purpose as Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. They exist to provide an incentive to the character and personalize their losses. Paige exists to show that the soldiers of the Resistance arne't completely faceless and all of the ones being massacred have families like Rose.

I think either she is not used the same way, or they used her poorly.

Quick comparison:
There is an unnamed woman struggling during an attack against a superior force. She manages to release the payload of her vessel but dies in the process. Later we find her name and she has a sister.

We meet the character with his relative. Quickly his name and relation are dropped as is the female parent figure. They share a few scenes showing the male is gruff but cares. Then a bit without the character showing he cares for his nephew. They are simple farmers going about innocent lives. While character is away they are brutally murdered. The character sees this and you can see his pain both when he finds them and when he returns to the mentor figure.

Yeah and one's the lead protagonist and the other is a deuteragonist in a story that already has three plots. It's a bit like if there was a quick shot of Bail Organa before Alderaan got blown up.

Who are you claiming to be the second most important character in the story though?

I think the problem would be more that Rose's subplot is rushed, while the shot of Organa would be muddled in obscurity. Like it's not jarring to follow from Paige to Rose, but if Lucas cut in a shot of Jimmy Smits then it would make no sense in the order of 456123.

I suppose to set it up they could also digitally imprint a poster of Organa hanging up at the Lars farm, indicating that their family had some sort of admiration for him and he was on their side.

OK, maybe a bad example. Basically what I'm saying is:
Episode IV: Luke was the main character, and his plot-line dominated the entire movie. Naturally they spent lots of time setting up his family and spent time on them after they were killed.
Episode VIII: Rose wasn't even the main character of the plot-line she was involved in, of which there were three in the movie. There wasn't enough space in the movie to naturally fit in setting up Paige to begin with.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Paige Tico existed for the same purpose as Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. They exist to provide an incentive to the character and personalize their losses. Paige exists to show that the soldiers of the Resistance arne't completely faceless and all of the ones being massacred have families like Rose.

I think either she is not used the same way, or they used her poorly.

Quick comparison:
There is an unnamed woman struggling during an attack against a superior force. She manages to release the payload of her vessel but dies in the process. Later we find her name and she has a sister.

We meet the character with his relative. Quickly his name and relation are dropped as is the female parent figure. They share a few scenes showing the male is gruff but cares. Then a bit without the character showing he cares for his nephew. They are simple farmers going about innocent lives. While character is away they are brutally murdered. The character sees this and you can see his pain both when he finds them and when he returns to the mentor figure.

Yeah and one's the lead protagonist and the other is a deuteragonist in a story that already has three plots. It's a bit like if there was a quick shot of Bail Organa before Alderaan got blown up.

Who are you claiming to be the second most important character in the story though?

I think the problem would be more that Rose's subplot is rushed, while the shot of Organa would be muddled in obscurity. Like it's not jarring to follow from Paige to Rose, but if Lucas cut in a shot of Jimmy Smits then it would make no sense in the order of 456123.

I suppose to set it up they could also digitally imprint a poster of Organa hanging up at the Lars farm, indicating that their family had some sort of admiration for him and he was on their side.

OK, maybe a bad example. Basically what I'm saying is:
Episode IV: Luke was the main character, and his plot-line dominated the entire movie. Naturally they spent lots of time setting up his family and spent time on them after they were killed.
Episode VIII: Rose wasn't even the main character of the plot-line she was involved in, of which there were three in the movie. There wasn't enough space in the movie to naturally fit in setting up Paige to begin with.

Thus what I was saying here on the last page:
viewtopic.php?p=111977#p111977

If Rose had simply been a character in the first movie then there would be a differentiation for protagonist development, but it is simply serial dilemma, as it goes from one scene to the next like a tv episode.

[Frustration]

I had assumed that Finn's purpose in the first movie was to get them through the shield. He'd know about a hidden open spot they used for supplies or never got around to completing, or would know the precise shield frequency or something.

Nope, his character has no purpose. His function is to be the black guy in the Star Wars movie.

[CharlesPhipps]

I had assumed that Finn's purpose in the first movie was to get them through the shield. He'd know about a hidden open spot they used for supplies or never got around to completing, or would know the precise shield frequency or something.

Nope, his character has no purpose. His function is to be the black guy in the Star Wars movie.

Its worse. To be the cowardly comic relief.

[clearspira]

I had assumed that Finn's purpose in the first movie was to get them through the shield. He'd know about a hidden open spot they used for supplies or never got around to completing, or would know the precise shield frequency or something.

Nope, his character has no purpose. His function is to be the black guy in the Star Wars movie.

For what's its worth, Boyega agrees.
Finn - ''Force sensitive child soldier'' should have been enough plot for his own movie. But like I said earlier, this man fails the reverse Bechdel Test. If his plot does not involve a woman then he has no plot.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I had assumed that Finn's purpose in the first movie was to get them through the shield. He'd know about a hidden open spot they used for supplies or never got around to completing, or would know the precise shield frequency or something.

Nope, his character has no purpose. His function is to be the black guy in the Star Wars movie.

For what's its worth, Boyega agrees.
Finn - ''Force sensitive child soldier'' should have been enough plot for his own movie. But like I said earlier, this man fails the reverse Bechdel Test. If his plot does not involve a woman then he has no plot.

You think Poe was a more memorable character though?