Orville: New Horizons

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clearspira wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:33 pm
Where would you rank it against the other New Trek shows?
I don't think any of the Nu Trek shows have had any of their genuinely IMPORTANT episodes yet that will be talked about decades later. Even Voyager had one of those with "Living Witness." So I will say that Orville has them beaten on this so far. However, I generally rank the Orville lower than most New Trek so that's why its doubly surprising.

Or in simpler terms. Sometimes I have 4 star Nu Trek episodes and mostly 3 stars. Orville rarely gets three stars for me but has a five star here and a well-deserved one.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:12 pm
clearspira wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:33 pm
Where would you rank it against the other New Trek shows?
I don't think any of the Nu Trek shows have had any of their genuinely IMPORTANT episodes yet that will be talked about decades later. Even Voyager had one of those with "Living Witness." So I will say that Orville has them beaten on this so far. However, I generally rank the Orville lower than most New Trek so that's why its doubly surprising.

Or in simpler terms. Sometimes I have 4 star Nu Trek episodes and mostly 3 stars. Orville rarely gets three stars for me but has a five star here and a well-deserved one.
That's a good point. Though remember with old Trek we had 26 episodes per season so it more likely to have that Important episode. Even with Enterprise.

I know I know. NuTrek sucks. Yadda Yadda blah blah.

Anyway, it is possible for a show with 10-12 episodes to have one of those. Even in a series like nuTrek like Disco or Picard.

Hell at this point I would wonder if such a episode or two happened, would it even be recognized as such?
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I'm generally happy with Nu Trek. I have criticisms but they're mild and everyone else acts like it destroyed America.

So i come off as a huge supporter. :)
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Show creator and star, Seth McFarlane spoke with TV Line about a couple of themes shown within this current season that happened to coincide with current real life events:
"Yeah, that was an interesting and unfortunate coincidence [on 'Gently Falling Rain' airing the day before Roe was overturned]. I think we wrote that script two years ago…? And of all times for it to land, it was pretty insane," MacFarlane said. "There's a great essay that was written by Karl Sagan and Ann Druyan in the '90s, specifically about Roe v. Wade, and I would sound like an idiot if I tried to paraphrase it here. But it was written from a scientific perspective, really breaking down the biology of how abortion works and drawing the conclusion that the specifics of Roe v. Wade — just not the existence of it, but the specifics of it — were prudent and made a lot of a sense. It's something that I always try to post on social media periodically when I think of it."
The mentioned episode featured a holographic simulation generated by the Krill, a reptilian alien species ruled by an extreme theocratic government who aggressively seek to prevent abortion practices, where parents who went through the abortion would see what their child could have looked like and where the simulated child ask the parents why they had chosen to "send them away.".
In some states, you hear rumblings — if I were more educated as far as specific legislation, I could tell you which specific states — about the woman being forced to look at an ultrasound of her fetus before an abortion is allowed, which is pretty perverse," MacFarlane explained. "It's a very bizarre concept, and you can imagine a future society looking at it, going, 'Wow, what in the world is happening here?' When we wrote the episode, that was really the impetus for that wrinkle in their culture — how would a future society like Krill employ this kind of practice, with the technology of the future? This idea of extracting DNA and forcing the parents to sit and talk to "the child that could have been" seemed like a pretty potent science-fiction idea worth presenting."
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:24 pm I'm generally happy with Nu Trek. I have criticisms but they're mild and everyone else acts like it destroyed America.

So i come off as a huge supporter. :)
I am so-so with NuTrek. I have many issues with the shows specifically Discovery and Picard.

Even then I get pegged as a supporter when I get tired of the circle jerk that happens when a bunch of negative people talk about the shows.
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I admit the last episode was really good but also makes Edward and Kelly look like psychopaths.

Also, it does make them murderers.
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Madner Kami wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:01 am Image
Sure.

Maybe you didnt see it but I got pegged as a nuTrek supporter the moment I didn't commit to nuTrek hate circle jerk. And all I said was that by reviewing an episode by point out every negative thing you see, isn't the best way to review an episode.

Afyerall, I could easily do the same thing for Yesterday's Enterprise for example.

Then I got hit with multiple pages of people on this page just basically accusing me of beinf pro-nuTrek.

The thing is I have noticed this. If for example you liked the Star Wars Sequel trilogy on social media you are going to get a shit ton of people basically questioning your level of intelligence. This applies to Game of Thrones and its final season, Star Trek, some of the new MCU movies and TV shows.
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McAvoy wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:18 am
Madner Kami wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:01 am Image
Sure.

Maybe you didnt see it but I got pegged as a nuTrek supporter the moment I didn't commit to nuTrek hate circle jerk. And all I said was that by reviewing an episode by point out every negative thing you see, isn't the best way to review an episode.
This was not meant as a sarcastic comment, just an observation and it seems you agree.
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Madner Kami wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:22 am
McAvoy wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:18 am
Madner Kami wrote: Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:01 am Image
Sure.

Maybe you didnt see it but I got pegged as a nuTrek supporter the moment I didn't commit to nuTrek hate circle jerk. And all I said was that by reviewing an episode by point out every negative thing you see, isn't the best way to review an episode.
This was not meant as a sarcastic comment, just an observation and it seems you agree.
My bad. I did take it as a sarcastic remark.
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