Puss in Boots: The Last Wish: The Death Wolf Yet ANOTHER Example of How Kylo Ren Could Have Been Done Right

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hammerofglass wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:20 am
Winter wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:28 am
hammerofglass wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:37 am Wait, when does Rey talk to another woman about ANYTHING in TLJ?
Huh?
Clearspira said she failed the Bechdel test because she only talks about men, but the test is talking to another woman about something other than a man. If I remember correctly she doesn't talk to another woman in that movie at all.
No she does, she talks with Leia at the end... About Luke, and what they'll do without him... Yeah the film really does fail the Bechdel Test. The few times she does talk about something other then the men in her life is her talking TO said men and how they can help her figure out her place in this story. And as soon as she's not relievent to the story of said men she's basically out of the rest of the film.

No seriously in the last half hour of the film she has a grand total of 5 minutes of screen time, 3 or 4 lines of dialogue and is only REALLY made out to be important once she's relevant to Kylo and Luke's conflict... Does Rey do ANYTHING for herself in this Trilogy?

She stays on Tatooine to wait for her parents, which is then followed by her getting taken off world more or less against her will. Then she's taken to Maz who tells her to take Luke's Lightsaber, then she's take by Kylo because she has something he wants. Then she goes to look for Luke to help with new found powers, then she sits around talking about Luke and Kylo without barely talking about herself. Then she goes from action scene to action scene in ROS because she was asked to stop Palpatine.

Rey's really a Pinball Protagonist in her a Trilogy that's suppose to be about her but where she goes and what she does is often dictated for her. We learn almost nothing about her and when we start to the films seem to almost get bored and switch over to anything else.

To use She-Ra yet again we learn a LOT about Adora and her choosing to stand with the Rebellion over the Horde was ultimately her own choice. Sure she was kinda swept up into events at the start but she took control of said events rather quickly and that's kinda the whole point of her arc that her future is her own.

Rey... is just kinda along for the ride. She's not so much a Mary Sue as she is a nothing. She gains powers and starts to master them in a short period of time... because the films don't want to deal with that part of her. It's ironic, her stated motive is her wanting to know what her place is in this story yet she doesn't really seem to have one. She's just a plot device for the writers to use and discard at the first opportunity.

Again, this is shown best during the 4th act of TLJ. She learns that her parents traded her for drinking money and left her and that she comes from nothing. This should break her but then she's out of the film and doesn't seem to be having any problem. She's happy, she's smiling, she's blowing up tie fighters and there's nothing wrong.

Why don't these films care about her. GOLDIE LOCKS has more depth and development in one movie then Rey does in her own Trilogy. What went wrong here?
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I honestly wonder if the sequel trilogy is going to just end up quietly ignored and eventually made non-canon. For all the spin-offs and side stories since that they haven't done anything at all in that era seems telling.
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hammerofglass wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:52 am I honestly wonder if the sequel trilogy is going to just end up quietly ignored and eventually made non-canon. For all the spin-offs and side stories since that they haven't done anything at all in that era seems telling.
Give it 20 years; it may very well have the same effect as the prequels.
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hammerofglass wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:52 am I honestly wonder if the sequel trilogy is going to just end up quietly ignored and eventually made non-canon. For all the spin-offs and side stories since that they haven't done anything at all in that era seems telling.
That seems unlikely, mostly because that sort of continuity bruhaha usually ends very badly and requires audiences way more invested than the average movie-goer to even matter.

That said, Disney did all of the leads pretty dirty, and there weren’t really any side characters that could carry a series because, well, they used the OT cast for that.
I mean I guess they could roll a dump truck of money up to Adam Driver’s house and do a Knights of Ren series but otherwise I’m not sure what they could really work with since I can’t imagine Ridley or Boyega coming back now.
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TGLS wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:19 pm
hammerofglass wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:52 am I honestly wonder if the sequel trilogy is going to just end up quietly ignored and eventually made non-canon. For all the spin-offs and side stories since that they haven't done anything at all in that era seems telling.
Give it 20 years; it may very well have the same effect as the prequels.
Maybe. But three years after the prequels they were launching their second Clone Wars cartoon series; if there's anything like that in the pipeline now I haven't heard about it.
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They actually tried one of those in between films, the Resistance series about Poe’s squadron, but it only lasted one season (it was reportedly boring as shit).
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CmdrKing wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:28 pm They actually tried one of those in between films, the Resistance series about Poe’s squadron, but it only lasted one season (it was reportedly boring as shit).
Same relative time as the first Clone Wars series.

Never watched more than a few minutes of Resistance, something about the animation style or coloring physically hurts my eyes to look at.
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TGLS wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:19 pm
hammerofglass wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:52 am I honestly wonder if the sequel trilogy is going to just end up quietly ignored and eventually made non-canon. For all the spin-offs and side stories since that they haven't done anything at all in that era seems telling.
Give it 20 years; it may very well have the same effect as the prequels.
Maybe. But in retrospect, I really do think the hatedom for the Prequels was more of a "loudest voice wins" kind of thing. The Internet was so excited when Disney bought Star Wars and it was announced that we would be getting more Luke, Han and Leia - funny to think about now. Clearly there was no lasting damage.

The Prequel hatedom seemed to only really take off post RLM if you ask me.
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clearspira wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:30 pm
TGLS wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:19 pm
hammerofglass wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:52 am I honestly wonder if the sequel trilogy is going to just end up quietly ignored and eventually made non-canon. For all the spin-offs and side stories since that they haven't done anything at all in that era seems telling.
Give it 20 years; it may very well have the same effect as the prequels.
Maybe. But in retrospect, I really do think the hatedom for the Prequels was more of a "loudest voice wins" kind of thing. The Internet was so excited when Disney bought Star Wars and it was announced that we would be getting more Luke, Han and Leia - funny to think about now. Clearly there was no lasting damage.

The Prequel hatedom seemed to only really take off post RLM if you ask me.
RLM definitely standardized it. Everyone stealing their best lines until it was beaten completely into the ground.
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hammerofglass wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:24 pm
CmdrKing wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:28 pm They actually tried one of those in between films, the Resistance series about Poe’s squadron, but it only lasted one season (it was reportedly boring as shit).
Same relative time as the first Clone Wars series.

Never watched more than a few minutes of Resistance, something about the animation style or coloring physically hurts my eyes to look at.
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting about that show... Which really just says it all doesn't it.

But yeah if you want to see how much Disney seems to be quitely sweeping it under the rug just go to your local market. You will STILL find Frozen II on Popsicles, cheese, canned foods and that little corner of the store where coloring books are sold. Hell, Raya and the Last Dragon which under-preformed at the box office is starting to get a lot of merch sold alongside other Disney Princess stuff.

But with Star Wars it's pretty much just the Mandalorian and nothing else. When I went to Walt Disney World back in 2021 I was surprised at how few TDST characters and merch there was. You pretty much just had Rise of the Resistance (great ride BTW) and that was it. Everything else was original Trilogy and Prequel Era with few to nothing TDST related. There was more merch dedicated to Darth Maul then there was to Rey and Kylo Ren combined.

It's actually rather funny, when Disney bought Star Wars they entered into a Anti-Prequel Phase, cancelling anything and everything Prequel Related, regardless if it was successful or not. I mean why do you think they pulled The Clone Wars off the air in Season 5 despite Seasons 6 and 7 with an 8th Season being in talks? Because it was tied to the Prequels and Prequels were not popular with fans despite the things tied into it WERE popular.

Now, with the overall failure of TDST Disney has been using ANYTHING Pre-Disney to get fans in the series. I just find that funny.
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