Captain America: Brave New World

[CharlesPhipps]

It was 5,000,000 possible timelines branching from that point. Keeping things from getting there at all is still on the table.

That's taking a gamble with trillions.

[Nobody700]

Okay so this pisses me off so I HAVE to say it. No. He didn't say fuck everyone. He created a NEW timeline. Theirs NO WAY, NO ABSOLUTE WAY, no one knew he didn't return. He did, and created a new timeline. He saved Bucky, prevented other problems, and the like. The movies time travel rules is, you can't change your past, you'll create a new future but your past happened. It's why they returned every infinity stone, to prevent that exact problem that would screw over other timelines. It's why Steve had no problem saying heil hydra to hydra, cause that was not gonna fuck up his timeline.

He returned because he asked his Tony to build a time machine to say bye, and than, he went back to his timeline. That is what happened. Does the film make it clear? Nope. But if you remember the rules, it makes sense.

So where is OUR Captain America then? It is Old Cap who hands over the shield, not Our Cap. By this logic, Our Cap should still be around somewhere.

I get what you are saying. It makes sense based on what was established. But y'know what I think? I think the writers forgot/ignored their own rules just so they could have a ''happy'' ending that they did not think through properly.

People hold up Endgame as being the last great movie of the MCU. But the more time that passes, the more I see just how poorly written it actually is.

Okay so old Cap WAS our Cap... again, it's a weird ending. He came in, gave the shield away, and than went back to his reality he lived in for decades. That DOES bring up the question of... did he tell the gang to find that realities Cap? Who... who knows... god, I do like Endgame but the ending is SO WEIRD.

[hammerofglass]

It was 5,000,000 possible timelines branching from that point. Keeping things from getting there at all is still on the table.

That's taking a gamble with trillions.

Yeah, but the odds are way better than if you don't do it.

[CharlesPhipps]

Anyone else get to see the movie yet?

[Winter]

With all that's happening right now I haven't gotten many chances to go to the theater and that's sadly unlikely to change which sucks because I love watching movies in theater.

[stryke]

People hold up Endgame as being the last great movie of the MCU. But the more time that passes, the more I see just how poorly written it actually is.

It's such a mess, and I really did think that walking out of the cinema. There's certainly a lot of good stuff in there too, so my general overview at the time was that it's basically fine even with all the dumb. Still what a mess, and yes there was stuff I didn't catch at the time that has downgraded my opinion somewhat.

[CharlesPhipps]

Hawkeye

Ms. Marvel

Falcon and the Winter Soldier

and now Captain America Brave New World are all good

I also liked No Way Home except for how shitty the ending was.

[clearspira]

Hawkeye

Ms. Marvel

Falcon and the Winter Soldier

and now Captain America Brave New World are all good

I also liked No Way Home except for how shitty the ending was.

I really enjoyed the ending to No Way Home - very brave actually. Far braver than most Sony/Marvel movies have been. There are so many story possibilities that arise from it. It opens up plots that range all the way from soft reboot to trilogy long epic to restore his friends. I also suspect that we'll see Gwen Stacey in the next film.

What it absolutely does do is force Peter to grow up. He has lost Aunt May, he has lost Tony, he has lost The Avengers, he has lost the Scooby Gang as I like to call them. He now has to stand on his own two feet as a man. And BTW, that absolutely is the central arc of his trilogy - his childishness and lack of thinking things through continuously leads him to f-k up. WHY does the ending of No Way Home happen? Because he was being an immature child around Dr Strange's magic. Why did he need to go to Dr Strange to wipe everyone's memories? Because he gave Stark tech to Mysterio. Why did he give Stark tech to Mysterio? Because he was riddled with self-doubt. Why was he riddled with self doubt? Because he was actually written to be a teenager this time.

In both cases, Dr Strange and Tony share much of the blame, but the point is, he is an easily led over-emotional child who makes mistakes and he pays for them big time.

Compare this to Toby Maguire's Spider-Man who doesn't really evolve much from Spider-Man 2 to No Way Home.

[CharlesPhipps]

I really enjoyed the ending to No Way Home - very brave actually. Far braver than most Sony/Marvel movies have been. There are so many story possibilities that arise from it. It opens up plots that range all the way from soft reboot to trilogy long epic to restore his friends. I also suspect that we'll see Gwen Stacey in the next film.

What it absolutely does do is force Peter to grow up. He has lost Aunt May, he has lost Tony, he has lost The Avengers, he has lost the Scooby Gang as I like to call them. He now has to stand on his own two feet as a man. And BTW, that absolutely is the central arc of his trilogy - his childishness and lack of thinking things through continuously leads him to f-k up. WHY does the ending of No Way Home happen? Because he was being an immature child around Dr Strange's magic. Why did he need to go to Dr Strange to wipe everyone's memories? Because he gave Stark tech to Mysterio. Why did he give Stark tech to Mysterio? Because he was riddled with self-doubt. Why was he riddled with self doubt? Because he was actually written to be a teenager this time.

In both cases, Dr Strange and Tony share much of the blame, but the point is, he is an easily led over-emotional child who makes mistakes and he pays for them big time.

Compare this to Toby Maguire's Spider-Man who doesn't really evolve much from Spider-Man 2 to No Way Home.

For me, it's the removal of all Peter's friends, accomplishments, and Avengers status shows a One More Day level of fetishizing suffering and the idea that Peter can never have anything resembling success. It's just one more element of believing that Spider-Man cannot achieve anything without martyring himself and his personal life.

It resets his growth and development as a person to once more be a loner with no friends or resources because it's the artificial idea that Marvel has to him that must be enforced by Word of God.

Just a thought.

[CharlesPhipps]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie ... 236138419/

This article gets into all the messiness of a black Captain America and how people wanted the movie tbe more political than it was, basically saying, "Jesus, it's just a movie, people. It touches on a lot of shit but it can't save us from Trump."